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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 06:51 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:


We are not perfect but we are one hell a lot better off then any of the EU nations.

No one had for example extradited a German citizen from a third country Denmark to the US for the crime of sending literature into the US from Germany and then placed him in a US prison for four years.

Your chains are heavy and getting heavier by the day.
Very well said, Bill.
I fear that u r right; I HOPE that u r rong.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
Owning Mein Kampf would not count.
How about lending it,
or giving it away ?
You can even do so in Germany
Thank u, Walter.



Walter Hinteler wrote:
- I really would wonder how such could be illegal in England.
Well, hate-crime law is based on naked emotion,
not upon sound reasoning.





David
BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Very well said, Bill.
I fear that u r right; I HOPE that u r rong.


As far as I know not even Hitler ever claimed the right to enforced German laws on US citizens acting on US soil as the modern German government did in 1995.

No one love a neo-nazis but it amazed me that what happen to Gary R. Lauck was not widely known at the time.

Somehow it is my opinion if that case had been widely known at the time the state department could not had gotten away with looking the other way and the American people would had demanded he be return to the US by any means needed.
McTag
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:
Well, hate-crime law is based on naked emotion,
not upon sound reasoning.


In this, David, as in so many other matters, you are dead wrong.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Well, hate-crime law is based on naked emotion,
not upon sound reasoning.
Like 'murder' (malice aforethought) is compared to manslaughter ...
McTag
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:12 am
@BillRM,

Quote:
Somehow it is my opinion if that case had been widely known at the time the state department could not had gotten away with looking the other way and the American people would had demanded he be return to the US by any means needed.


Comment from the land of extraordinary rendition.
McTag
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Hi Walter

Note, David wrote "...hate-crime LAW...."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:19 am
@McTag,
Oops. But your lawmakers are full of emotions, aren't they? Wink
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:26 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

Hi Walter

Note, David wrote "...hate-crime LAW...."
Yes; laws based upon people's emotions.

Very alarming; the abandonment of reason.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:28 am
@BillRM,
On a serious note: this principle in the German Criminal Code is called "Principle of Ubiquity" (Ubiquitätsprinzip). The US equivalent is the combination of the objective territoriality principle (the effects doctrine) and subjective territoriality principle.

BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:34 am
@McTag,
Quote:
Comment from the land of extraordinary rendition.


As the US gentleman were seized in 1995 perhaps some elements in the US government decided to follow the German example at a later date..... Drunk
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Well, hate-crime law is based on naked emotion,
not upon sound reasoning.
Like 'murder' (malice aforethought) is compared to manslaughter ...
Calculation, in preparation for a felony,
does not necessarily involve emotion.
A paid Mafia hit-man does not even KNOW
his intended victim, except as a target.

A robber may murder his victim
to avoid complaints to police
or inimical testimony in court.
That does not require emotion.
Robbery is a crime of profit, not of passion;
so also murders executed in support thereof.
That is a well reasoned plan,
in furtherance of the benefit of the predator,
who may very well never have met his victim b4 the crime.

When Bruno Hauptman kidnapped baby Lindbergh,
( I take the inference that: ) he did not HATE the baby, but his crime was AFORETHOUGHT.





David





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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You somehow gotten away with it in 1995 over a neo-nazis but it will get very very very interesting if your government try similar deeds involving US hosted websites as had been threaten.

Keep your chains on your own soil.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:46 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

As far as I know not even Hitler ever claimed the right to enforced German laws on US citizens acting on US soil as the modern German government did in 1995.
Opposite to your belief, Bill, we have a separation of powers here.
Gauck was convicted by Regional Court ("Landgericht") in Hamburg (August 22, 1996). This ruling was confirmed by the Federal Court of Justice ("Bundesgerichtshof", highest court) in March 1997 (3 StR 10/97).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

No one love a neo-nazis but it amazed me that what happen to Gary R. Lauck was not widely known at the time.
Really? Just look up the various press archives (or the literature written later) about the far right campaign in the USA against the plans to extradite him to Germany ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 07:52 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You somehow gotten away with it in 1995 over a neo-nazis but it will get very very very interesting if your government try similar deeds involving US hosted websites as had been threaten.
Again: we have separation of powers, the trias politica principle ...

But actually, just today, the prosecution in Rostock made the arraignment against the (German) owners of a (foreign based) far right-wing forum: criminal organisation, incitement to hatred.
BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 08:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Again: we have separation of powers, the trias politica principle ...


You means we should only send troops into one area of Germany?

In any case, the states of the US can not do anything that override the foreign policy of the US federal government and such matters as extradition requires are handle by the Federal government not the states directly.

Once more keep your chains on your own soil.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 08:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
made the arraignment against the (German) owners of a (foreign based) far right-wing forum: criminal organisation, incitement to hatred.


Once more you can do anything you care to to your own citizens and if the German people do not like the treatment they can change the laws in Germany by peaceful means or by other means.

But trying to enforce your laws against US citizens on US soil is another matter.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 09:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Heard about this?

Quote:
The FBI in Orlando, Florida, have shot a man they were questioning about possible links to Boston bombs suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, US media report.

An FBI spokesman said they were responding to the incident and that the agent had shot and killed the man "while conducting official duties".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22627923

Sounds like banana republic policing.
RABEL222
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 09:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Only where their own money is concerned.
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