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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 3 May, 2013 08:51 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Why is killing a Bostonian civilian evil, but killing an Iraqi civilian perfectly alright?


Evil Islamic Jihadist killing Iraqi civilians is EVIL.
RABEL222
 
  4  
Fri 3 May, 2013 08:58 am
@McTag,
Dont know much about geography? I dont think Iraq is in the US of A.
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izzythepush
 
  -1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 09:09 am
@H2O MAN,
You really are a ******* moron using terms like good and evil. America has propped up dictatorships in the ME, always takes Israel's side and has killed at least 400 civilians in Pakistan.

I'm sure lots of people would have no problems defining such actions as evil. If you want to live in a fool's paradise, where you use simplistic terminology to describe events, things will not improve. Moslems have very justifiable reasons for feeling aggrieved towards America. In many cases Islamic fundamentalists are the only people seen to stand up for the rights of ordinary Moslems, and angry young men wanting to do something to improve the lives of ordinary Moslems see the attraction of organisations like Al Qaida.

They see America as evil, it's been described as The Great Satan more than once, and your simplistic way of thinking just increases that divide. If you want to get rid of mosquitos you need to drain the swamp, not create more swamps.
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RABEL222
 
  3  
Fri 3 May, 2013 09:12 am
@izzythepush,
Iraq and Vietnam were cock ups. Afghanistan not so much. One twin towers was enough for me. Have we been there too long? Yes. Now how about talking British cock ups. The middle east problem was caused by British politicians and is going to effect the world for another 50 or so years. Maybe more. If its stupid finger pointing you want to engage in there is enough stupidity among all politicians and countries to go around.
McTag
 
  2  
Fri 3 May, 2013 10:03 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Evil is real and both you and PrezBO need to realize
the worldwide fight between good & evil is forever.


The American Way is if there's perceived problem, shoot at it or maybe bomb it.
We used to do that. It used to be called "gunboat diplomacy", and it doesn't work. It is counter-productive. The problem does not go away. It shifts and increases in vehemence.

Somebody made an interesting observation about the Guantanamo Bay problem yesterday, in The Guardian. I'll see if I can find it.

It said that instead of bringing suspects to Guantanamo, US policy now is to shoot them with drones. 4700 so far dealt with in this way.

Here it is:

In the US, Bellinger accused the Obama administration of overusing drones because of its reluctance to capture prisoners who would otherwise have to be sent to Guantánamo Bay.

Bellinger, who drafted the legal framework for targeted drone killings while working for George W Bush after 9/11, said he believed their use had increased since because Obama was unwilling to deal with the consequences of jailing suspected al-Qaida members. "This government has decided that instead of detaining members of al-Qaida [at Guantánamo], they are going to kill them," he told a conference at the Bipartisan Policy Centre.

An estimated 4,700 people have now been killed in some 300 US drone attacks in four countries – Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia – and the question of the programme's status under international and domestic law remains highly controversial.

Bellinger, who also used to work at the state department and the national security council.....

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How many dead in Boston, three? "A terrorist is a man with a bomb, but no air force".
izzythepush
 
  0  
Fri 3 May, 2013 10:22 am
@RABEL222,
The post WW2 cock up was Franco/British it was also a long time ago. Iraq a lot more recent, Afghanistan is a cock up.

Quote:
The Project on Defense Alternatives estimated that in a 3-month period between October 7, 2001 and January 1, 2002, at least 1,000-1,300 civilians were directly killed by the U.S.-led aerial bombing campaign, and that by mid-January 2002, at least 3,200 more Afghans had died of "starvation, exposure, associated illnesses, or injury sustained while in flight from war zones", as a result of war.
The Los Angeles Times found that in a 5-month period from October 7, 2001 to February 28, 2002, there were between 1,067 and 1,201 civilian deaths from the bombing campaign reported in U.S., British, and Pakistani newspapers and international wire services.
According to the The Guardian, possibly as many as 20,000 Afghans died in 2001 as an indirect result of the initial U.S. airstrikes and ground invasion.
Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated that in the 20-month period between October 7, 2001 and June 3, 2003, at least 3,100 to 3,600 civilians were directly killed by U.S.-led forces.


If you don't want any more twin towers, slaughtering the civilian population of another country isn't the best way of going about things.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 10:40 am
@izzythepush,
I agree; the US is too ready to "go to war." Even the drones now being used is not a good political move, but Obama continues to use them. It only provides more fuel for hate against the US from the people of the Middle East.

We never learn from history or simple common sense.
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 11:09 am
@H2O MAN,

izzythepush wrote:
You use the word evil just like Oralboy, it's meaningless, and why you'll never understand what's going on.

Freaks who are evil enough to support the Palestinians (and who are therefore also evil enough to support sending innocent people to prison), are always so sensitive about people condemning evilness. Laughing


izzythepush wrote:
Why is killing a Bostonian civilian evil, but killing an Iraqi civilian perfectly alright?

One case involves the intentional targeting of civilians, and one case does not.

It is likely that anyone who is evil enough to support atrocities like deliberately sending innocent people to prison, lacks the morals to distinguish the difference between targeting civilians and not.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 11:09 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
The American Way is if there's perceived problem, shoot at it or maybe bomb it.
We used to do that. It used to be called "gunboat diplomacy", and it doesn't work. It is counter-productive. The problem does not go away. It shifts and increases in vehemence.

Nonsense. There are a finite number of people in the world, and therefore a finite number of people who will attack us.

We can kill all of them.


McTag wrote:
Somebody made an interesting observation about the Guantanamo Bay problem yesterday, in The Guardian. I'll see if I can find it.
It said that instead of bringing suspects to Guantanamo, US policy now is to shoot them with drones. 4700 so far dealt with in this way.
Here it is:
In the US, Bellinger accused the Obama administration of overusing drones because of its reluctance to capture prisoners who would otherwise have to be sent to Guantánamo Bay.
Bellinger, who drafted the legal framework for targeted drone killings while working for George W Bush after 9/11, said he believed their use had increased since because Obama was unwilling to deal with the consequences of jailing suspected al-Qaida members. "This government has decided that instead of detaining members of al-Qaida [at Guantánamo], they are going to kill them," he told a conference at the Bipartisan Policy Centre.

That's fair. People are trying to deny us our ability to detain captured enemies as POWs until the end of the war. That gives us the right to kill our enemies without quarter.


McTag wrote:
An estimated 4,700 people have now been killed in some 300 US drone attacks in four countries – Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia – and the question of the programme's status under international and domestic law remains highly controversial.

Hardly controversial. We're at war, and we're attacking the enemy. Pretty straightforward.


McTag wrote:
"A terrorist is a man with a bomb, but no air force".

No, a terrorist is someone who deliberately targets civilians.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 11:24 am
@oralloy,
You wrote,
Quote:
We can kill all of them.


Very nice, indeed! It shows your inhumanity; you must be proud!
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 11:56 am


Does anyone know why is Obama down in Mexico apologizing for and criticizing himself?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 12:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
It's called diplomacy with a neighboring country.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 3 May, 2013 12:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's called diplomacy with a neighboring country.

I know that's what it's supposed to be, but it's clear that Obama didn't get the memo.
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Baldimo
 
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Fri 3 May, 2013 02:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
How quickly we forget history or even ignore it. The US has been dealing with Muslim extremists since the founding of the nation. The Marines were used to battle Muslim pirates in a war known as the "First Barbary War". This was in the early 1800's and things haven't gotten better. If you think we started this then you are wrong. Islam has had the US in cross hairs since our founding.

Islamic terror is against the US is not new and it didn't start after WWII.
McTag
 
  2  
Fri 3 May, 2013 02:33 pm
@Baldimo,

From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli....

But I think the earlier war was purely about piracy, and no mad mullahs were involved. I may be wrong though. Setanta will tell you.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 3 May, 2013 02:34 pm
@Baldimo,
You really have learnt in history, Baldimo, that those Barbary corsairs were Muslim extremists? Good that others have forgotten it!
Baldimo
 
  2  
Fri 3 May, 2013 02:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 3 May, 2013 02:51 pm
@Baldimo,
... and the Uskoks had "Christian" reason for their acts of piracy as had the Spaniards ....

Actually, it's quite interesting to read the history of pirates in the Mediterranean Sea ... especially that of Tripoli's corsairs .... which goes back to the Phoenicians.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2013 02:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Here is part of the treaty that ended the conflict with the "pirates".


Quote:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 3 May, 2013 05:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
First you express doubt, and then when Baldimo offers support, you respond, Well Christians did it too!

They probably did, but so what?
 

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