Physics of the Biblical Flood

It's not proof that's required, it's blind faith. With that you can claim that the flood did happen, but God or Satan removed all proof. Evangelicals already think Satan planted dinosaur bones.

What the Qspacer has done is give a list of what ifs, the fact that there's no evidence for any of the what ifs isn't really important. All the bullshit I posted about giant worms is no less ridiculous than Qspacer's suggestions. People will grasp at the slim possibility of anything if it allows them to keep a fundamentalist perspective.

It even allows a stranger to reason like Gungasnake to call people "evolosers."

but the giant Gippsland Wurm does exist.

So I was right? **** me, we're in a lot of trouble.

we must mount a wxpedition to Gippsland to see whether these giant worms have the capacity to plot an overall invasion of the remaining giant worm-free areas of the panet.

Lock and Load gentlemen

Well, it looks the like the author has disappeared into the crown molding. He did not have a very compelling story an had NO scientific evidence.
I wonder how his audience of physicists received his stories?

I bet a lot of it has to do with where those physicists obtained their degrees.

we have many of those "Liberty U" places in the US but remember, he was from Israel where Orthodox Jews are really friendly to Cretionism and literal interpretations of the book.

Also, may theoretical physicists accept an equation as "evidence"

If we accept the biblical account of this event, we are obliged to trust the eyewitnesses therein.
Who were they?
The event was witnessed by 8 ppl and approx 380 billion (insects mainly) other creatures (also on the ark) - (approx weight 150 million tonnes) that were undoubtedly present, due to evolution being a fantasy. Where they kept a pair of blue whales, alone, is questionable...
We'll assume that the non-human passengers were not able to communicate the event unto latterday man, so eliminate them from this procedure.
Ergo - one, or more, of the 8 humans aboard the ark must be the story's originator!
They clearly interbred (being one family), but it appears God was ok with incest back then.
Nevertheless - Their descendants passed the story down the lineage, and it was historical fact 600yrs later.

Ok - How would any of the 8 have been able to recognize this flooding to be a global event?
How would they know it had being a global extinction (ark excluded) event?
They had no way to measure either.
So they simply took Noah's word for it.
ORIGIN discovered.

Now - when you read the original translation of 'world' (As in Gen:) you discover it can also by interpreted as 'land, country, place, etc.'

I read it as 'land' btw. And relate it to the 'marmara overspill'

There are a great deal of historical facts in all ancient scriptures - if you can read between the lines of embellishment, error, misinterpretation, exaggeration , political correctness, vanity, pride, empowerment, madness, halucinogens, lack of scientific advancement, greed, anger, megalomania and fear.

Wiser to assume the evidence is a predator approaching noisily through the cornfield, rather than a sudden gust of wind though - Get to safety asap (avoid trusting to fortuity) and give this book a wide berth - It may well consume you, as it generally does to the weak, vulnerable, lonely, despairing and disturbed.

Genesis 7: 11-12; When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month ‘’ALL THE OUTLETS OF THE VAST BODY OF WATER BENEATH THE EARTH BURST OPEN’’, all the floodgates of the sky were opened, 12and rain fell on the earth for forty days and nights.

Scientists have long suspected there was a lot of water beneath our feet, but this may be the first direct evidence that a vast reservoir of water is locked inside the mantle’s “transitional zone.” The significance: If just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, researchers say, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface.

Scientific researchers today, have absolutely no idea of just how much water is locked up in the transitional Zone, and yet they believe that if just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface. But if in the future it is discovered that much more than 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, what then.

Scientists have for the first time linked the deep Earth’s water cycle to earthquakes and volcanic activity.

Mount Ararat on which Noah’s ark is said to have come to rest, consists of two main volcanic cones: the Greater Ararat is the highest peak in Turkey with an elevation of 5137 m a.s.l, and the Little Ararat, with an elevation of 3896 m a.s.l. Is one of Turkey’s national parks.

The period of the last activity phase is not completely clear. Volcanic activity is documented for the Late Pleistocene in particular, the dating of the youngest lavas gives an age of ca. 20,000 years. A more recent phase of activity dates back to the 5th millennium, spanning the years 5000 BC to 4001 BC when the biblical flood is said to have occurred.

"Scientists", and "scientific research", but no names, institutions or academic papers.

Your only source is the musings of pre industrial writers, and that isn't science.

It's wishful thinking.

What I find rather amusing is that your chums the JWs claim it was a water canopy up in the atmosphere that suddenly collapsed.

It's no less fanciful than your nonsense, and I wondered if the atmosphere versus subterranean hypothesis is at the root of your disagreement with said holy rollers.

It puts me in mind of the big and little enders in Gulliver's Travels.

"That power would set me up above the gods, and through the daleks I will have that power."

Davros Genesis of the Daleks.

They might be your chums old mate, but they’re not mine. And yes, they do come up with some non- biblical twaddle wherever they’re stuck for an answer, which is more times than not.



Well, you can cease to wonder old mate, as there is no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the water canopy in the atmosphere hypothesis of the JWs, whereas there is ample evidence to support the subterranean theory of the biblical claim that ‘’ALL THE OUTLETS OF THE VAST BODY OF WATER BENEATH THE EARTH BURST OPEN’’, creating the flood of the then known civilised world of Noah’s day.

Isn’t it Marvelous that the bible revealed that there was a vast body of water beneath the earth thousands of years before that was discovered by our scientists, although once you realise that that while our scientists were still saying that the sun was created before the planets of our solar system and life could not evolve on earth without sunlight, the author of the bible has proven them to have been wrong

https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=111648

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-the-earths-mantle-sends-water-up-toward-the-surface-180980276/

Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends.

After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur.

The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, around the time that the two main volcano vents on Mount Ararat erupted, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years.

It said dissolved in rock hydrogen is the most common elemdnt, thisis not surprising at all, not the same as oceans.

And there is no evidence of a global biblical flood.

And it's a hypothesis.

Sorry old mate, but it's a fact.

I should have said that the flood of Noah's day is a fact.

The rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosporus. The event flooded 100,000 km2 (39,000 sq mi) of land and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and west. According to these researchers, 50 km3 (10 cu mi) of water poured through each day, two hundred times the flow of Niagara Falls. The Bosporus valley roared and surged at full spate for at least 300 days.

For the Mediterranean to have risen that high it would have flooded all the known civilised world of that day up to and beyond the Euphrates, but the date of the inundation of the Black Sea is still very much debatable.

The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, around the same time as the volcanic eruptions of the cones on mount Ararat, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Ireland that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, some 4,500 years ago, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ancient-oak-rings-can-tell-what-happened-long-ago-1.242628

Inspiration. I think I might just track down a copy of Gulliver's Travels. If I ever read it, I don't recall a word of it.

It's very good, failing that there is a TV series with Ted Danson which does the trick.

Most people think it's just Lilliput, but he voyages to lands of giants and lands ruled by horses as well as Japan.

I'm on a Georgian bent now, just read Tristram Shandy and Humphrey Clinker, and I'm currently devouring the Sharpe books.

Say that with a Cockney accent and you might have a point.

The biblical flood is a load of bollocks, it never happened, there's no proof just religious nutters.