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cant get into a hospital

 
 
Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 08:33 am
I hear all these horror stories about incompetent nurses in the hospitals in my area and I can't even get a chance at a job in one. I have had interviews and focused on the skills that I have acquired throughout my career. However I found out that they aren't concerned about skills. They say that you can learn those. What they were looking for is compatible personalities. In other words the interview was a popularity contest to see who gets to be the newest member of their click. The hiring manager wasn't even in the interview. There is one problem with this theory. You can't fix stupid. Now I'm still having trouble even getting more interviews in hospitals. Any suggestions on what I can do to help my situation.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 08:47 am
@raziel46350,
Well, standard job search advice applies - network, connect on LinkedIn, see if you can do any peripheral work in the places where you think you'd like to be, so that you can get a good reputation there, etc.

Find a way to connect to the people who'll be making the hiring decisions.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 08:43 pm
@raziel46350,
Is your impression of nursing that it is a collection of "skills"?
I could understand being very concerned if I were interviewing a nurse who expresses that sentiment.
If I want a collection of "skills" I'll hire a tech.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 08:49 pm
@MattDavis,
Hey wait a minute...
I was a tech. (smiles) They called us technologists and we took toughie state boards.

Glad to see you back (it's been x hours but I'm used to seeing you here)
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 08:50 pm
@ossobuco,
On our poster, I've no idea, but maybe anxiety is getting in the way in interviews.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:01 pm
@MattDavis,
I guess my point more directly is this.
From a hiring manager's standpoint, skills are trainable.
Sound judgement and critical thinking are not very easily trainable.
Hiring a nurse is a investment on the order of 10-20 thousand dollars just for orientation. Why waste the money on a hire who thinks of health mechanistically?
Stepford nurses are a dime a dozen.
Nursing is a profession not a skill set.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:03 pm
@ossobuco,
I was tech for 5 years.
And I was a good one (I think).
Techs are awesome. Doctors are awesome.
Nurses are not techs, not doctors.
One of the most critical roles of a nurse is the last line of defense.
The final arbiter before error reaches a patient.
Patient advocacy.
It's not so much what you know as how you know it.
Tempered intuition. Evidence based practice.
Robots need not apply.
Wink
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:10 pm
@MattDavis,
I had a bachelors from UCLA and ran labs, or let them run themselves. On the other hand, my boss was the braino. He also wrote med thrillers..

I left it all for art..



Oh, and I agree with you re judgement.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:12 pm
@ossobuco,
Lab tech? Or pharmacy tech?
Thanks for the welcome back.
Been busy with a move and my girlfriend is opening a yoga studio.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:12 pm
@raziel46350,
Mostly, qualifications are verified long before the final interview. That is, everyone interviewed is presumed to be qualified, so indeed, personality does become an issue at the interview.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:18 pm
@MattDavis,
We called ourselves laboratory technologists, and there were state exams, yada yada.

I didn't work much in regular clinlabs.. that was only in training. In fact I would have been stupid in them if I had to suddenly transfer. My first job was to start an immunology lab (rather new back then).
MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:27 pm
@roger,
I come from a very "skilled" nursing background. Intensive care. All the bells and whistles. Intercranial pressure monitoring. Brain tissue oxigenization . Swan Ganz catheters. Blah Blah Blah.
Those are all just skills. Tools. Measurements.
Extensions of assessment. A nurse focusing on such things in an interview is a red flag.
What I want to know about is how well a nurse can act.
Finding the needle in the haystack of data.
Constructing the broad picture.
Managing the care from dozens of other professionals (surgeons, attendings, OT, PT, nutritionists, radiology, lab, pharmacy....Etc.)
That's where to invest in human resources.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:34 pm
@ossobuco,
Immunology Very Happy
You were way ahead of the curve.
That's one of the biggest frontiers now.

My phone is about to die.
1% battery.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:42 pm
@MattDavis,
That was 1965.. and yes, we were out there in front.

Science is a kick.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:44 pm
@ossobuco,
Even science has become more "artsy" and intuitive, since Kuhn.
I was a math and science geek as a lad. Wink
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:47 pm
@ossobuco,
I participated in an interesting study showing that dialysis was effective in reducing ICP, primarily because it removes cytokines.
Screw mannitol Wink
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:47 pm
I'm off, have a good evening.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 09:48 pm
@MattDavis,
Oh, wait, cytokines..

well, later, I'm sleepy.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2013 10:01 pm
@ossobuco,
good night Smile
I'll be on a2k more when life stabilizes.
My life that is Wink
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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 07:27 am
@raziel46350,
raziel46350 wrote:

I hear all these horror stories about incompetent nurses in the hospitals in my area and I can't even get a chance at a job in one. I have had interviews and focused on the skills that I have acquired throughout my career. However I found out that they aren't concerned about skills. They say that you can learn those. What they were looking for is compatible personalities. In other words the interview was a popularity contest to see who gets to be the newest member of their click. The hiring manager wasn't even in the interview. There is one problem with this theory. You can't fix stupid. Now I'm still having trouble even getting more interviews in hospitals. Any suggestions on what I can do to help my situation.


To get back to the original subject (although I agree with what you've said Matt), I see all kindsa red flags with this person.

Number 1 is the blame game, focusing on everyone else as to why they can't get a job in a hospital.
Compatible personality? Yeah, that's important, and doesn't indicate the presence of cliques. It means you're going to be working long hours, in close quarters with many people, and you should be a good fit with them, as well as the organization.
Hiring manager not in interview? No, they wouldn't be, not in the first go round. Perhaps the initial interviewers/screeners found the OP so unpleasant to be around or the OP answered the interview questions so poorly, they realized there was no sense moving on.

The fact that other hospitals won't see the OP is more an indication of something wrong with the applicant, and not the other way around.

I'd love to see this persons resume.
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