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The CBS 60 Minutes Richard Clarke Interview

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 06:43 am
John Dean, ex White House counsel for Nixon, speaks about the Bush administration... http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/31/dean/index.html

(day pass is a five second view)
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:15 am
PDiddle - excellent, excellent point.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:24 am
Time for a little levity? This may have been around before, but it is the first time I have seen it. I can't just provide the link because it was sent to me in an email with no attribution.

Quote:
Out of the Closet: REPUBLICANISM SHOWN TO BE GENETIC IN ORIGIN

The discovery that affiliation with the Republican Party is genetically
determined was announced by scientists in the current issue of the journal
Nurture, causing uproar among traditionalists who believe it is a chosen
lifestyle. Reports of the gene coding for political conservatism, discovered
after a decades-long study of quintuplets in Orange County, Calif., have sent
shock waves through the medical, political, and golfing communities.

Psychologists and psychoanalysts have long believed that Republicans'
unnatural disregard for the poor and their frequently unconstitutional tendencies
resulted from dysfunctional family dynamics. A remarkably high percentage
of Republicans do have authoritarian, domineering fathers and emotionally
distant mothers who didn't teach them how to be kind and gentle. Biologists
have long suspected that conservatism is inherited. "After all," said one
author of the Nurture article, "It's quite common for a Republican to have a
brother or sister who is a Republican." The finding has been greeted with
relief by Parents and Friends of Republicans (PFREP), who sometimes blame
themselves for the political views of otherwise lovable children, family,
and unindicted co-conspirators.

One mother, a longtime Democrat, wept and clapped her hands in ecstasy on
hearing of the findings. "I just knew it was genetic," she said, seated with
her two sons, both avowed Republicans. "My boys would never freely choose
that lifestyle!" When asked what the Republican lifestyle was, she said,
"You can just tell watching their conventions in Houston and San Diego on
TV: the flaming xenophobia, the flamboyant demagogy, the disdain for anyone not
rich, you know." Both sons had suspected their Republicanism from an early
age but did not confirm it until they were in college, when they became
convinced it wasn't just a phase they were going through.



The Nurture article offered no response to the suggestion that the high incidence of
Republicanism among siblings could result from their sharing not only genes
but also psychological and emotional attitude as products of the same
parents and family dynamics.

A remaining mystery is why many Democrats admit to having voted Republican
at least once--or often dream or fantasize about doing so. Polls show that
three out of five adult Democrats have had a Republican experience, although
most outgrow teenage experimentation with Republicanism.

Some Republicans hail the findings as a step toward eliminating
conservophobia. They argue that since Republicans didn't "choose" their
lifestyle any more than someone "chooses" to have a ski-jump nose, they
shouldn't be denied civil rights that other minorities enjoy. If
conservatism is not the result of stinginess or orneriness (typical
stereotypes attributed to Republicans) but is something Republicans can't
help, there's no reason why society shouldn't tolerate Republicans in the
military or even high elected office--provided they don't flaunt their
political beliefs. For many Americans, the discovery opens a window on a
different future. In a few years, gene therapy might eradicate Republicanism
altogether.

But should they be allowed to marry?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:59 am
Blatham writes:
Quote:
" John Dean, ex White House counsel for Nixon, speaks about the Bush administration... http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/31/dean/index.html

(day pass is a five second view)"


Many seem to have a great fondness for any writer or talking head or public figure who will condemn or cast the current administration in an unfavorable light. Juding from the posts I read in this forum, many of these same people hold in utter contempt any who support or speak favorably of the current administration or the point of view of the 'right'. The messenger is too often disrespected and/or ridiculed rather than the message being rebutted. I can assume the 'left' feels the same way about writers or talking heads or public figures on the 'right'.

I wonder if the 'left' thoughtfully and thoroughly reads or hears from sources on the 'right' as much as they want the right to consider the point of view from the 'left'?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:44 pm
foxfyre

I think that if we continue to frame options and commentary in terms only of 'right' or 'left', we are pretty sure to get nowhere.

For example, let's take the issue of transparency in government. That ought not to be an aspect of governance favored by anyone.

Yet this administration surely seems to be overly fond of obscuring the public's view of what's going on. If so, then criticism ought to be leveled. But it ought to be regardless of party.

Likewise, this administration surely seems to be vindictive regarding voices within or without who speak against it. Again, if so, then that is not a good thing.

Dean makes the claim that the intention of this administration is most fundamentally to gain re-election. That's a claim which was also made by DiIulio, himself a Republican and a fan of the President. It's a claim made by many others as well. I think it is an accurate claim. And yes, I think this administration is not typical on this matter.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 01:41 pm
Blatham writes:
Quote:
"Likewise, this administration surely seems to be vindictive regarding voices within or without who speak against it. Again, if so, then that is not a good thing.

Dean makes the claim that the intention of this administration is most fundamentally to gain re-election. That's a claim which was also made by DiIulio, himself a Republican and a fan of the President. It's a claim made by many others as well. I think it is an accurate claim. And yes, I think this administration is not typical on this matter."


I think, my friend, that this administration is quite typical of American administrations spanning more than two centuries now. It is only those who despise it that declare it atypical and those who despise it are usually not willing to objectively compare it to any others. Just one example since I'm pressed for time now:

Look how many in this forum alone railed against the Bush
administration for not allowing Condoleeza Rice to testify
publicly under oath before the 9/11 commission. Evidence
of secrecy and something to hide they say. They completely
ignored the principle of executive privilege and the clear
division between the legislative and executive branches of
government. The dismiss the fact that the previous administration
evoked such executive privilege more than any administration
in the history of the nation. They completely ignored that Condi
had already given the commision four hours of testimony behind
closed doors and that the commissioners themselves did not
expect her to say anything different in public.

They declare the Bush administration to be secretive in not
handing over Condi. But when you point out that the Clinton
administration evoked executive privilege and would not allow
Richard Clarke to testify before a congressional committee
even without being sworn it, the 'anybody but Bush' crowd
immediately ignores this or abruptly changes the subject.

They now say Bush and Cheney are being somehow devious
or secretive by talking to the commission behind closed doors.
They ignore the fact that no sitting president has ever been
required to accept a subpoena or otherwise to give public
testimony to a committee or commission in the history of
the country and none have.

It's all about the difference between objective criticism and blind prejudice. Too many who hate Bush look for any way to demonize him and will demonize him for things that would be fine if their own guy was in power.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 05:50 pm
Well, the whole Clarke thing may not have tilted the Bush/Kerry balance much in any way, but its helping to slowly put Bush's record on dealing with terrorist dangers in a more realistic perspective, in the public opinion ...

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/GALterror.GIF
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 06:44 pm
Foxfyre said
Quote:
I think, my friend, that this administration is quite typical of American administrations spanning more than two centuries now. It is only those who despise it that declare it atypical and those who despise it are usually not willing to objectively compare it to any others. Just one example since I'm pressed for time now:

Look how many in this forum alone railed against the Bush
administration for not allowing Condoleeza Rice to testify
publicly under oath before the 9/11 commission...
They now say Bush and Cheney are being somehow devious
or secretive by talking to the commission behind closed doors.
They ignore the fact that no sitting president has ever been
required to accept a subpoena or otherwise to give public
testimony to a committee or commission in the history of
the country and none have.


You beg the question again. All instances of complaint are instances of bias. And you take up the one issue best suited to your argument - open testimony of Condi Rice.

But that one case is but a small sliver of the complaint. Recall that the administration fought against holding a public commission on 9-11. Recall that commission members (both parties) have complained of White House stonewalling. As to Cheney/Bush testifying, the more common complaint is NOT that they aren't under oath or that no transcript will be kept, but that they are testifying together, and will be able to hear each others answers - a situation NOT designed to further transparency, but to prevent problematic differences in accounts.

On the issue of Cheney's stonewalling of the energy task force, Larry Klayman, chairman of Judicial Watch, said, "This administration is the most secretive of our lifetime, even more secretive than the Nixon administration. They don't believe the American people or Congress have any right to information."

Or, "Some degree of secrecy is obviously justified but we are seeing far more secrecy than is warranted by national security requirements," said Steven Aftergood, who runs the project on government secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists. "There is a pattern of secrecy that is a defining characteristic of the Bush administration. It resists even the most mundane requests for information," he told Reuters recently.

And there is much more.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:56 pm
Hear, hear.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 09:40 pm
I've read what Judicial Watch has said and probably two dozen other groups/publications have said and almost all are parroting the Democrat National Committee talking points "most secretive administration...."; "stonewalling...." "appearance of something hide" etc. etc.

I don't doubt the Bush administration is maybe more secretive than 'normal'; maybe more secretive than it has to be. But in a day and age where there are those who will grasp at, distort, and twist any shred of information and play it as negatively as possible to the media, and when we are involved in a war where American and allied lives are on the line, I'm not going to quibble about it at this point.

And there are at least a few sources out there saying that the Clinton administration was so open (except where it concerned Clinton himself of course) that the Bush administration has just returned to levels of previous administration but in comparison looks more secretive.

I will never forget our troops in Somalia coming onto shore in the dark at night in full camouflage and blackface only to be confronted by the CNN lights and cameras. As it turned out, there were no casualities that night. But how dumb was that? Let's don't blab everything we know so that the bad guys we don't want to know it aren't unduly informed.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 06:24 am
foxfyre said:

Quote:
I don't doubt the Bush administration is maybe more secretive than 'normal'; maybe more secretive than it has to be. But in a day and


No buts are allowed in a democracy.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:06 am
Corroborating evidence:

Quote:
Top Focus Before 9/11 Wasn't on Terrorism
Rice Speech Cited Missile Defense
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 1, 2004; Page A01


On Sept. 11, 2001, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice was scheduled to outline a Bush administration policy that would address "the threats and problems of today and the day after, not the world of yesterday" -- but the focus was largely on missile defense, not terrorism from Islamic radicals.

The speech provides telling insight into the administration's thinking on the very day that the United States suffered the most devastating attack since the 1941 bombing of Pearl Harbor. The address was designed to promote missile defense as the cornerstone of a new national security strategy, and contained no mention of al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or Islamic extremist groups, according to former U.S. officials who have seen the text.


From today's Washington Post
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:10 am
Quote:
I've read what Judicial Watch has said and probably two dozen other groups/publications have said and almost all are parroting the Democrat National Committee talking points "most secretive administration...."; "stonewalling...." "appearance of something hide" etc. etc.

You are doing it again...all instances of complaint are instances of bias. And you've upped the ante with the suggestion that "almost all" organization such as Judicial Watch or the Carnegie Endowment for International Peacecomplain because they get email from the DNC, or in the style suggested in emails from DNC. That's simplistic, not credible, and it's not worthy of you.

Quote:
But in a day and age where there are those who will grasp at, distort, and twist any shred of information and play it as negatively as possible to the media,
Well, just how is this statement different from Edward Meese's statements? Ought the press to be handmaiden to a sitting government...an extension of its public relations arm? And please don't make the claim here that the left functions more egregiously than does the right as to spin, malice, or self-aggrandizement.

Quote:
and when we are involved in a war where American and allied lives are on the line, I'm not going to quibble about it at this point.
Straw man argument, which you repeat in the last paragraph. The administration didn't want a commission on 9-11 under any conditions. That's not secretiveness for security (easily handled, as it is being done now), that's secretiveness for PR. The meeting of oil company CEOs with Cheney...those minutes al Qaeda is just drooling over? Neither of those examples, which we've been talking about, are security issues, and that's why your argument is a straw man. The only relevant one is the science issue, and do you mind terribly if I begin with the assumption that the Federation of American Scientists is likely to be less partisan than this administration.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:19 am
Also worthy of note:

Quote:
Bush Counsel Called 9/11 Panelist Before Clarke Testified

By Dana Milbank and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 1, 2004; Page A13


President Bush's top lawyer placed a telephone call to at least one of the Republican members of the Sept. 11 commission when the panel was gathered in Washington on March 24 to hear the testimony of former White House counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke, according to people with direct knowledge of the call.



White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales called commissioner Fred F. Fielding, one of five GOP members of the body, and, according to one observer, also called Republican commission member James R. Thompson. Rep. Henry A. Waxman, the ranking Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, wrote to Gonzales yesterday asking him to confirm and describe the conversations.

Waxman said "it would be unusual if such ex parte contacts occurred" during the hearing. Waxman did not allege that there would be anything illegal in such phone calls. But he suggested that such contacts would be improper because "the conduct of the White House is one of the key issues being investigated by the commission."

White House spokesmen were unable to get a response from Gonzales.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40578-2004Mar31.html?referrer=email
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:21 am
And again:

Quote:
"We should have had orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001"
A former FBI translator told the 9/11 commission that the bureau had detailed information well before Sept. 11, 2001, that terrorists were likely to attack the U.S. with airplanes.
- - - - - - - - - - - -

By Eric Boehlert, a senior writer at Salon.
March 26, 2004

A former FBI wiretap translator with top-secret security clearance, who has been called "very credible" by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, has told Salon she recently testified to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States that the FBI had detailed information prior to Sept. 11, 2001, that a terrorist attack involving airplanes was being plotted.

Referring to the Homeland Security Department's color-coded warnings instituted in the wake of 9/11, the former translator, Sibel Edmonds, told Salon, "We should have had orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available." Edmonds is offended by the Bush White House claim that it lacked foreknowledge of the kind of attacks made by al-Qaida on 9/11. "Especially after reading National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice [Washington Post Op-Ed on March 22] where she said, we had no specific information whatsoever of domestic threat or that they might use airplanes. That's an outrageous lie. And documents can prove it's a lie."

Edmonds' charge comes when the Bush White House is trying to fend off former counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke's testimony that it did not take serious measures to combat the threat of Islamic terrorism, and al-Qaida specifically, in the months leading up to 9/11.

Edmonds, who is Turkish-American, is a 10-year U.S. citizen who has passed a polygraph examination conducted by FBI investigators. She speaks fluent Farsi, Arabic and Turkish and worked part-time for the FBI, making $32 an hour for six months, beginning Sept. 20, 2001. She was assigned to the FBI's investigation into Sept. 11 attacks and other counterterrorism and counterintelligence cases, where she translated reams of documents seized by agents who, for the previous year, had been rounding up suspected terrorists.

She says those tapes, often connected to terrorism, money laundering or other criminal activity, provide evidence that should have made apparent that an al- Qaida plot was in the works. Edmonds cannot talk in detail about the tapes publicly because she's been under a Justice Department gag order since 2002.

"President Bush said they had no specific information about Sept. 11, and that's accurate," says Edmonds. "But there was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001. They should've alerted the people to the threat we're facing."

Edmonds testified before 9/11 commission staffers in February for more than three hours, providing detailed information about FBI investigations, documents and dates. This week Edmonds attended the commission hearings and plans to return in April when FBI Director Robert Mueller is scheduled to testify. "I'm hoping the commission asks him real questions -- like, in April 2001, did an FBI field office receive legitimate information indicating the use of airplanes for an attack on major cities? And is it true that through an FBI informant, who'd been used [by the Bureau] for 10 years, did you get information about specific terrorist plans and specific cells in this country? He couldn't say no," she insists.

Edmonds first made headlines in 2002 when she blew the whistle on the FBI's translation department, which was suddenly thrown into the spotlight as investigators clamored for original terrorist-related information, often in Arabic. Edmonds made several reports of serious misconduct, security lapses and gross incompetence in the FBI translations unit, including supervisors who told translators to work slowly during the crucial post-9/11 period to ensure the agency would get more funds for its next annual budget. As a result of her reports, Edmonds says she was harassed at the FBI. She was fired in March 2002.

Litigation followed, and in October 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft asked the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to dismiss the Edmonds case, taking the extraordinary step of invoking the rarely used state secrets privilege in order "to protect the foreign policy and national security interests of the United States." Ashcroft's move was made at the request of Mueller.

During a 2002 segment on "60 Minutes" exploring Edmonds' initial charges of FBI internal abuses, Sen. Grassley was asked if Edmonds is credible. "She's credible and the reason I feel she's very credible is because people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story," he said.

The Inspector General's office then launched an investigation into Edmonds' charges and told her to expect a finding in the fall of 2002. The report has yet to be released. Edmonds suspects if it is ever publicly released Ashcroft will demand that it be immediately classified. "They're pushing everything under the blanket of secrecy," she says.

That's why she felt it was so important to appear before the 9/11 commission: "It's the only hope I have left to get this issue added to the public domain."


Sorry, I failed to get a URL.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:42 am
And one more for the road:

(skim the first couple of paragraphs and get to the nitty-gritty)

Quote:
The Story That Puts Other 'News' In Perspective

By Tina Brown
Thursday, April 1, 2004; Page C01


The best thing about Richard Clarke's testimony was that we were finally shocked by something important instead of pretending to be shocked by something ridiculous. After the Dean scream and the Jackson nipple and the many TV hours invested in such incendiary issues as the rightness or wrongness of reconstructive breast surgery for teenagers with self-esteem issues, the Clarke Chronology was a sonic boom that will go on reverberating through the op-ed classes, whether or not the Clarke Apology to the 9/11 families moves the polls.



We were about to OD on hearings, at least the courtroom kind -- Martha, Kobe, Michael, the wacko trial of Tyco boss Dennis Kozlowski. Who, in the end, can relate to the date-rape complications of a zillionaire basketball giant, the financial finaglings of a domestic dominatrix-tycoon, or the alleged pedophilia of a loony recording legend who makes up his face like Joan Crawford and maintains a private zoo? For news junkies numbed by the freak shows of celebrity justice, the Clarke story has been bracing.

"Mostly, TV languishes in an area that doesn't much please me, but once in a while it rises to the occasion and moves beyond the 'Fear Factor' or 'American Idol' or 'Survivor' and becomes more or less what we thought it would be when we all got into this goddamn business," Don Hewitt, czar of "60 Minutes," said to me about Clarke's explosive debut on the show with Lesley Stahl. "Dick Clarke taking on George Bush was a great big moment."

The stakeout culture needed this moral lift. Clarke suddenly restored our definition of news. Instead of souped-up sound bites and personality smackdowns, we had someone as credible as the national coordinator for counterterrorism in the White House through four administrations emerging from 30 years in his bureaucratic cave to speak on a matter of life and death.

This was a reality show, but it was also reality. People may have had a hard time identifying with Paul O'Neill's abortive adventure at Treasury -- a high-priced CEO who made a bad career choice, he never lost the aroma of the boardroom -- but Clarke, for all his scary IQ, is somebody we recognize. Every office has someone like him, a super-competent guy whose big, square, argumentative head you learn to dread when it appears around the door announcing bad news. The Bushies made the mistake of thinking the world would see Clarke as they did -- arrogant, relentless, alarmist, fussy, disloyal to the team, all of which might be true, but none of which really mattered against the gravity of the issue. The most famous office bore of the 20th century was Winston Churchill.

Thirty years of turf wars and PowerPoint strategizing served Clarke well for his succession of gladiatorial encounters. After "60 Minutes" and six hours of hearings, he was still hanging tough for the jabs of Tim Russert on "Meet the Press."

They want to declassify my transcript? Sure. Declassify Condi's too, and my e-mails and my memos, while we're at it. Want to talk about my letter of resignation? Here's the letter the president wrote me. Yikes. Who knew this off-the-radar guy would turn out to be such a star? The Bushies clearly didn't. Or else they might have paused before demoting him and cutting him loose.

It's his Tom Clancy quality that gives Clarke dramatic resonance. In Clancy's novels the heroes are always midlist guys like him, career patriots who are frustrated by the politicians -- except that in Clancy's usual scheme the politicians are craven liberals and in this case they are craven conservatives. (In the movie version Clarke would be played by Gene Hackman or Robert Duvall.) The Bushies now recognize this, which accounts for the histrionic level of the counterattack. Sen. Bill Frist frothed about Clarke's "appalling act of profiteering, of trading on insider access to highly classified information," overlooking the inconvenient fact that the book went through the normal channels of White House approval, a process that ironically was so bureaucratically sluggish it delayed the publishing date to the charged moment of the 9/11 hearings.

When Russert ominously replayed Frist's charge on "Meet the Press" and asked if Clarke would donate his royalties to the children of the dead, Clarke imperturbably raised him again. "Tim, long before Senator Frist said what he said, I planned to make a substantial contribution, not only to them but to the widows and orphans of our special forces who have fought and died in Afghanistan and Iraq." Then expertly he lifted the discussion out of the distasteful realm of big-bucks New York publishing back into the shadows of Clancyland: "I also have to consider the fact that friends of mine in the White House are telling me that the word is out . . . to destroy me professionally. One line that somebody overheard was, 'He's not going to make another dime in Washington in his life.' " To be continued . . .

The Condi Rice hearings will supplant Clarke in sex appeal. The new story line of "Bush's best girl in trouble" has too much of a sweeps week flavor not to win the next round. No one really wants to focus on the most uncomfortable part of what Clarke had to say at the hearings: that all the sacrifices of the war in Iraq have made the world less safe.


©2004, Tina Brown
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40667-2004Mar31.html?referrer=email
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:55 am
sumac wrote:
Also worthy of note:

Quote:
Bush Counsel Called 9/11 Panelist Before Clarke Testified

By Dana Milbank and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 1, 2004; Page A13


President Bush's top lawyer placed a telephone call to at least one of the Republican members of the Sept. 11 commission when the panel was gathered in Washington on March 24 to hear the testimony of former White House counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke, according to people with direct knowledge of the call.



White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales called commissioner Fred F. Fielding, one of five GOP members of the body, and, according to one observer, also called Republican commission member James R. Thompson. Rep. Henry A. Waxman, the ranking Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, wrote to Gonzales yesterday asking him to confirm and describe the conversations.

Waxman said "it would be unusual if such ex parte contacts occurred" during the hearing. Waxman did not allege that there would be anything illegal in such phone calls. But he suggested that such contacts would be improper because "the conduct of the White House is one of the key issues being investigated by the commission."

White House spokesmen were unable to get a response from Gonzales.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40578-2004Mar31.html?referrer=email


And waddya bet they won't be forthcoming with this information, assuming the calls took place.

How might we judge the integrity of Frist's speech which denigrated Clarke's motives ("he'll make a lot of money") and with his demand that Clarke's earlier testimony be declassified (because of 'contradictions')?

Well, we might grant it integrity IF he accepts Clarke's suggestion to declassify ALL of it, and all memos, etc between his department and Rice. And we'll note that is Powell's wish too...maximal declassification. If that's not done, then screw the bugger for being a deceitful and manipulative agent who doesn't really care a wince for real transparency and public awareness of governance.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 08:36 am
blatham said:

Quote:
Well, we might grant it integrity IF he accepts Clarke's suggestion to declassify ALL of it, and all memos, etc between his department and Rice. And we'll note that is Powell's wish too...


That ain't gonna happen...not a chance in hell.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 08:57 am
su

PDiddie, on the previous page, wrote a wonderfully angry post stemming from the following quote...
Quote:
U.S. officials told NBC News that the full record of Clarke's testimony two years ago would not be declassified. They said that at the request of the White House, however, the CIA was going through the transcript to see what could be declassified, with an eye toward pointing out contradictions.
If the bastards actually try this, and if the press let them get away with it, then, as Leonard Cohen says,
"Well, they've summoned up a thundercloud
And they're gonna hear from me"

We poets are NOT to be trifled with.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 09:19 am
Quote: "U.S. officials told NBC News that the full record of Clarke's testimony two years ago would not be declassified. They said that at the request of the White House, however, the CIA was going through the transcript to see what could be declassified, with an eye toward pointing out contradictions.

If the bastards actually try this, and if the press let them get away with it, then, as Leonard Cohen says, "Well, they've summoned up a thundercloud And they're gonna hear from me"


If they try to do this, the public should rise up with such a fury that the Bush administration will finally get the message.

This illegal act is as bad as Nixon's attempt to use the FBI, CIA and IRS to get his enemies. Nixon had to resign over his illegal acts. Bush had better start reading the history of the Nixon administration and wise up. This will not be tolerated!

BBB
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