What are your expectations for America over the next 13 years?

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The first thirteen years of the 21st Century have not suggested that this one will "belong" to America.

In what state do you expect America to be in by the end of 2025?

It's not that far away, but a lot can happen in a little more than a decade.

Are you optimistic or pessimistic?

I tend to not take doomsayers seriously but I think that we have been kicking the can down the road for too long when it comes the nation's finances and that a reckoning is near. Sooner or later people who overextend themselves by spending on credit come up against a hard wall, and while it may take a nation a lot longer to hit the wall, without a change in direction it eventually will.

Some people live through terrible times of cataclysm and transition. They tend to get swallowed up by history as the years march on, but they were the unlucky ones. The folks who were slaughtered when Rome was sacked by barbarians had the misfortune of riding the Empire's caboose. Lucky to be Romans; unlucky to be Romans on that day.

America can suffer a severe economic cataclysm and rise back up, but there will be lots of people who don't rise with it.

I'm beginning to think that Baby Boomers are a tragic generation in American history, contributing to and suffering from major transitional shifts.

America has faced, suffered through, and survived cataclysms in the past and, I hope, will do so going forward, but with each cataclysm there have been large numbers of Americans who didn't push through to the other side.

Good things usually take longer to develop than we think they will, and bad things tend to develop sooner than we expect. Human nature? In any case my sense is that we will be experiencing or a year or two away from experiencing a major American cataclysm by the end of 2025.

There certainly doesn't seem to be any plan or will to avert it.

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[+3] - IRFRANK - 03/04/2013This degenerated into comical nonsense quickly. At first it seemed like a reasonable question. Now I realize it was bait. Sad.

@Finn dAbuzz,

All well put, Finn, subjects I've long pondered. Had first typed "Alls well,.." suggesting a subliminal reaction

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In any case my sense is that we will be experiencing or a year or two away from experiencing a major American cataclysm by the end of 2025.

Do you mean simply that it should happen before 2027

The most likely real major happening is the inevitable next nuclear war. As far as the economy, we'll certainly get another recession or two but I wouldn't rule out another 1930

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There certainly doesn't seem to be any plan or will to avert it.

Amen

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Interesting thread, Finn.

The key to my reply probably lies in my reaction to one sentence you wrote:

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America can suffer a severe economic cataclysm and rise back up, but there will be lots of people who don't rise with it.

I think, Finn, that the cataclysm will be much more wide-spread than most are willing to acknowledge right now. The financial condition on planet Earth is like a super-volcano set to erupt.

Neither capitalism nor socialism as now constituted is prepared to handle what is about to overtake us...nor will an amalgam of the two be any better.

For the first time...the cry of "the technology is killing us" will not be an example of "crying wolf"...or shouting "the sky is falling."

The value of human labor is almost a thing of the past...and if it is not yet to that point, during the years you mentioned here, it will be.

A new, totally different economic system will have to replace it...or the coming financial crisis will some day be remembered as Armageddon.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Two comments...

1. If the problem is spending and debt there is a plan to solve it. There are two ways to decrease debt; raise revenue and cut spending. One party is suggesting a balanced approach consisting of both of these.

Saying there is no one with a plan is a lie. The problem is is the political battle that keeps us from implementing the solution.

2. Although the current spending problems started at the end of the Clinton presidency, the apocalyptic rhetoric about impending doom didn't start until the election of a Black man as president.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

the apocalyptic rhetoric about impending doom didn't start until the election of a Black man as president.

the apocalyptic rhetoric about impending doom is generated by said black man.

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@dalehileman,

I think it will happen sometime in the next 13 to 15 years.

I'm not entirely sanguine about the world stage either.

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@Frank Apisa,

Anything that brings America to its knees certainly won't occur without the rest of the world feeling the ill effects.

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@maxdancona,

How predictable you are Max.

What I wrote was: There certainly doesn't seem to be any plan or will to avert it.

Are you suggesting that's a lie?

The Democrat plan is to increase taxes while increasing spending, but it's good to know you have such faith in them.

As for that other piece of nonsense, it's not worth a response.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Yes Finn. When you wrote "there certainly doesn't seem to be any plan or will to avert it" I am suggesting that is a lie. It is a lie for partisan politics.

Actually, there are two lies here. First of all, the dire predictions of apocalyptic doom are a partisan political lie. And the claims that Obama doesn't have a plan to deal with the deficit is also a lie.

Were you predicting dire doom based on ballooning debts during the Bush administration?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

The real story is is the gross political hypocrisy of conservatives.

They were fine with the deficits cause by tax cuts and spending hikes during the Bush administration. Just five years later and now they claim we are at the brink of ruin?

Tell me Finn, other than the obvious, what caused you conservatives to change your mindset so radically?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Anything that brings America to its knees certainly won't occur without the rest of the world feeling the ill effects.

Can't make an omelette (or 'omelet') with breaking eggs.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I agree, Finn. But my expectations that the economic calamity will not be "America falls and brings the rest of the world with it."

I think the entire industrial world in set up for failure right now. America, in fact, might be able to maintain some economic viability longer than some of the other countries. But eventually, in my opinion, the economic well-being of ALL industrial nations will end up in the toilet. The economic well-being of the lesser countries is already there.

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