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Powell's Betrayal

 
 
pistoff
 
Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 06:04 pm
I have been trying to figure out why Powell has been part of the Neocon Deceit Machine. After Powell presented a pack of lies to the UN, knowing full well that they were blatant lies, my small amount of respect for him evaporated. Now with his statements regarding India and outsourcing I am not mereley annoyed by this disgraceful man but disgusted.

"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, encountering the other side of a tempestuous debate in the United States, sought to assure Indians on Tuesday that the Bush administration would not try to halt the outsourcing of high-technology jobs to their country."

Powell seemed reasonable, rational and moderate; a moderate Repub, not a Neocon. He seemed to be resisting the Neocon Agenda of World Domination/Imperialism and Uni-laterism yet now has succumed to the Neocon onslaught. My theory as to why he has capitulated is that he has been offered a high level job upon his resignation from the Admin. if they managed to sieze power again. Powell is towing the line in order to stay in the good graces of the Admin. because his next lucrative job depends upon his allegiance to the Oligarchy, The Military/Defense Machine.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 06:46 pm
unless you are a specialist in aerial photo interpretation, you could not have known, at the time that powell spoke to the UN , that it was all BS. i have lots of experience in photo recon and I was fooled. i posted on abuzz how I thought the photos were 100% accurate.I admit, I was snookered because I didnt believe wed be lied to with doctored photos and photos of ordinary infrastructure. it wasnt as clear as the Cuban missile photos, one vertical tank may either be a biological digester or someones water tower. It was the latter. i admit, at the time, I believed the bastards, thats why I am doubly incensed and full of hot desire to vote right now.
weve gotta keep up the fire of dissent for another 8 months and as gCarlin said, bush is counting on how we will slip into complacency.
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pistoff
 
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Knowledge
The Disgrace of General Colin Powell


January 4, 1998 When it comes to projecting potential Presidential candidates for the Year 2000, no name is mentioned with more awe and reverence than that of former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell. He seems to have an impeccable war record, having served honorably in Viet Nam. He is a black man who rose through the ranks to the highest position in the military. He bears the glow of military victory (the preposterously one-sided Gulf War). The media-- especially Time Magazine--write fawning, adoring pieces about him. If he does run, it will likely be as a Republican, and the Republicans expect that he will garner the largest percentage of black votes in the history of the party.General Colin Powell is a coward and a moral disgrace.

Firstly, let's please toss out the Gulf War. Iraq is a tiny little country with a population of about 14 million (20% of which are rebellious Kurds) in a remote part of the world that happens to have a lot of oil. You heard me right: Iraq has--count them--about 14 million people. The United States, at 260 million, is about 18 times as large. So we have a 800 pound gorilla taking on a 45 pound weakling (right now, the 45 pound weakling appears to be holding his own). Time Magazine tries to make you think that Iraq is huge and powerful by using distorted maps that show the country almost encompassing the globe.

Saddam Hussein is a petty, tin-pot dictator who can't even count on the unabridged support of his own armies. The U.S. victory over Iraq was a masterful exercise in public relations. Militarily, it was the most one-sided battle in modern history: more than 100,000 Iraqi soldiers died compared to about 50 Americans. I am not exaggerating. This was not a "war"-- a war has to have at least one or two battles. Had Schwartzkopf, Powell and company lost, it would have been the most ridiculously unbelievable result in the history of the world. Even Goliath was only three times the size of David. So don't tell me that Powell was courageous or extraordinarily clever or "ingenious"--- please. All he had to do was tell his men to point their nose cones or turrets at Baghdad and count out the medals afterwards (more than one per combatant). One look at the $50 billion in hardware bearing down on them and the Iraqi's fled. Yet, with overwhelming military, political, and economic superiority the U.S. didn't even succeed in removing Hussein from power. Nor did they "restore" democracy to Kuwait (the same fat cats rule as before). Considering subsequent events, this was a colossal failure. It was a failure of will, a failure of intelligence, and a failure of diplomacy. Powell deserves credit for looking very nice in his uniform.

Then there was Bosnia.

I can't, in this space, give you a detailed history of the Bosnian conflict (check the Globe & Mail, or the New York Times Review of Books for some excellent summaries), but this is essentially what happened: Bosnia and Serbia were the two largest components of the former Federation of Yugoslavia. They became separate nations when Yugoslavia disintegrated in the late 1980's. Bosnia, comprised mostly of Muslims, but with a substantial population of ethnic Serbs, declared itself independent in April 1992, and was quickly recognized by the U.S. and other Western powers. War broke out and in the first six months, Serbia-- please don't call it a "Christian" nation--, with the aid of a rebel force comprised of Bosnian Serbs, and with overwhelming military superiority, seized 3/4 of Bosnia's territory. Within those same six months, at least 20,000 Bosnian Muslims--men, women, children--were systematically exterminated. This was quickly termed "ethnic cleansing" by the Serbs themselves. Their intent was not only to conquer the territories of Bosnia, but to make it impossible for Bosnians to repopulate the area afterwards. The correct term was genocide. It was only the beginning.

It is well-documented (see the New York Times Review of Books , December 18, 1997) that George Bush and Colin "Neville Chamberlain" Powell were fully aware of the nature of this conflict by September 1991. The CIA (right, for a change) reported that Serbs were raping, beating, torturing, incarcerating and starving tens of thousands of Muslims, and that the Muslims, heavily out-gunned, were unable to resist. These reports were corroborated by reporters, U.N. officials, and aid workers. In other words, atrocities on a scale unseen since World War II were taking place in Bosnia while the Western Powers-- which the U.S. tirelessly brags of leading-- did nothing. Actually, the U.S. did worse than nothing: they imposed an arms embargo on the entire region. This had the effect of preserving a huge military advantage for the aggressor, Serbia, and preventing a member nation of the U.N. from defending itself against massive, relentless terror. It was as if we had announced that to prevent the Nazi Holocaust, we should have prevented the Jews from having any weapons. There is good reason to believe that if the Western Powers had allowed Bosnia to arm itself, the conflict would have soon stale-mated and the world would have spared the hideous tragedy that followed instead.

It is important at this point to consider the two ghosts haunting U.S. foreign policy at this stage. They are the Holocaust (World War II) and the Viet Nam War. In the case of the former, the Western Nations waited too long before taking concerted action against Hitler, thereby allowing six million Jews to die in the concentration camps. The Western powers even refused to accept Jewish refugees from Germany in the early stages of the Holocaust, thereby proving, to Hitler's satisfaction, that nobody wanted the Jews. After the war, the world collectively pledged to never again stand by and do nothing when confronted with such a monstrous evil.

In the case of Viet Nam, the U.S. embroiled itself in a war it could not win, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, and paralyzing domestic conflict. After this war, the U.S. promised itself to never again get involved in a "quagmire". Powell sees this failure as a lack of will on the part of the U.S. More sensible commentators observe that the U.S. intervened militarily on behalf of an unpopular, unelected, undemocratic government.

Colin Powell and George Bush looked at Bosnia and saw the Holocaust but chose to report to the American people that they saw Viet Nam and chose to do nothing to stop the genocide. Bush hoped it would go away by itself before the elections of 1992. When candidate Clinton attacked Bush's inaction, Colin Powell, in a major speech given during the election campaign (which Generals should stay out of), declared that he would never allow U.S. soldiers to be committed to another Viet Nam-like quagmire. So here we had a General telling elected politicians just what kind of war he might be willing to fight if asked. Just who is running the country here? Powell should have been dismissed immediately, like McArthur, but his personal popularity was such that politically it could not be done. And why was he popular? I don't know. Would he have been so popular in a business suit instead of a uniform with lots of medals on it? How about a waist coat and top hat?

The point cannot be made forcefully enough: Colin Powell, along with George Bush and Lawrence Eagleburger, and other foreign policy advisors are personally responsible for a policy that resulted in massive genocide. They created this policy in direct opposition to their own staffers who knew what was going on. Several of them resigned in disgust. Some privately cheered Clinton when he spoke out against the inactivity.

You might argue that their policies merely reflected a consensus of the U.S. electorate. However, polls taken during the presidential election in 1992 showed an alarming (to Bush) tendency among voters to favor some kind of decisive action. The average voter wasn't so stupid as to think that the world should stand by and watch thousands of innocent women and children murdered in cold blood. The average voter didn't believe that Bosnia was an inexhaustible quagmire that could never be saved. So Bush and Powell were not being merely politically astute when they decided not to intervene: they were also cowards.

We all went to see Schindler's List and we all tsk-tsked and wrung our hands and then breathed a sigh of relief. The fact that this movie exists and even won a few academy awards proves that our society knows evil when it sees it and is prepared to do the right thing! Well, this movie took no courage to make: in hindsight, we were all in the resistance. If Spielberg had had any guts he would have done a movie on Bosnia because, yes, we did stand by once again, wringing our hands and shaking our heads, and we let it happen when we could have prevented it. And while Christian talk shows and magazine are all abuzz with Paul Marshall's book on the persecution of Christians around the world, no one weeps for Sarajevo and Srebrenica.

It should be noted that Clinton's performance on the issue was only marginally better. Once he was elected to office, he did everything he could to evade responsibility for his campaign promise to help the Bosnians. He sent William Christopher to Europe to get consent for military action but the Europeans were afraid of retaliation against the U.N. ground troops. This was convenient for Clinton because he could blame them, for a time, for his inactivity. The U.N. troops should have withdrawn immediately and air strikes should have commenced immediately. In the end, the Bosnian's themselves rallied and took back some of the territory. By this time, the entire region was a cauldron of seething racial hatred.

Colin Powell's actions during this crisis are morally indefensible and cowardly. I hope and pray that if he does choose to run for president, voters take a very close look at his performance and quickly relegate him to the dustbin of history where he belongs.

© Copyright 1998 Bill Van Dyk

http://www.chromehorse.net/rants/rants98/powell.htm

Stick A Fork In Colin Powell; He's DoneBy Kenneth Quinnell A few years back, the conventional wisdom on Colin Powell was that he was an honest and honorable man. We weren't quite sure why, as a black man, he joined the Republican Party. It made a bit of sense when you take into account his military background, but seemed at odds with almost all of his stances on social issues.We let him slide on that one because we thought maybe he could bring a voice of reason to the administration's foreign policy and maybe even, if we were lucky, have some impact on other administration policies. We were hopeful that since he was an honest and honorable man, he could be a good influence on Bush and his allies.We got a bit worried, though, when Powell made his ridiculous case to the U.N. on the war with Iraq. As smart as Powell is, he knew that most, if not all, of the information he was spouting was bullshit. For some reason, he seemed to throw that honesty and honor out the window in order to support Bush. We knew he was lying and distorting the truth, but we were willing to give him a little bit of wiggle room - maybe he really thought Iraq could be a threat, maybe he had more info he wasn't giving us, maybe he really was worried about WMDs and thought that they had to be taken care of, even if it meant lying to the world.Now this statement comes to light:
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place, but we are always willing to review them to make sure that they are being carried out in a way that does not affect the Iraqi people but does affect the Iraqi regime's ambitions and the ability to acquire weapons of mass destruction, and we had a good conversation on this issue.
When did Powell say this? February 24, 2001. More than a year before his presentation at the U.N., Powell knew that Saddam didn't have any WMDs and knew that Iraq wasn't a threat to its neighbors. He knew that the sanctions and inspections were working. He knew, when he gave his speech before the U.N. that everything he was saying was untrue.Now that this information has been brought back to our attention, Powell should immediately resign. He misled the American people. He misled the world community. He lied to support a partisan agenda and disgraced the uniform that had brought him so much honor and fame. He disgraced the military he served so well in the past. He lied and soldiers have died because of his lies. If Powell hadn't made that case before the U.N., it is unlikely that the American people would have fallen behind the war as they did. Powell brought what we thought was a voice of sanity to the administration, when, in reality, he was just another partisan hack. Powell is a disgrace to the uniform he wears. Powell is un-American and is a traitor to his country. He lied and American soldiers have died because of his lies. He needs to step down and admit his lies - it's the only way to salvage his once-honorable name.Posted by Kenneth Quinnell

http://www.ospolitics.org/usa/archives/2003/09/26/stick_a_fo.php


Powell: first lies, now arrogance

US Secretary of State full of preoccupations and demandsColin Powell has some cheek. He comes to Moscow and publishes a letter in an important daily newspaper (Izvestia) claiming that the USA is worried about the legal basis of democracy in the Russian Federation, about Russia's military bases in CIS countries and about Russia's policy in Chechnya.Here speaks the man who lied through his teeth to the United Nations Security Council, as he presented his detailed photographs of Saddam Hussein's factories of Weapons of Mass destruction and as he praised the "marvelous" intelligence which uncovered these programmes.Here speaks the man who represents a regime which carried out the most blatant and shocking disregard for international law by committing its troops to Iraq, outside the UNSC, which under each and every document concerning the management of the crisis called Iraq, had to be consulted.Here speaks a man whose government has sanctioned an act of butchery on an unprecedented scale in recent history, in which tens of thousands of innocent people have been murdered, left mutilated or destitute.Here speaks a man whose government ordered its military forces to attack civilian targets with such savagery that today, nearly one year on, basic services are still not functioning.

Here speaks a man whose government sent its armed forces into a war without a legitimate cause.Here speaks a man whose government disregarded the UNO and the UN Charter, deriding the organization as a League of Nations. Here speaks a man whose military forces broke the Geneva Convention time and again in Iraq.Here speaks a man whose government sent its armed forces into Afghanistan - in retaliation, which is not a legitimate causus belli - to slaughter 3 000 civilians.

And this man - Colin Powell - has the audacity to present his preoccupations about Moscow's relations with its partners in the Commonwealth of Independent States? Colin Powell has the nerve to look Vladimir Putin in the eye and speak about Chechnya? Colin Powell has the barefaced cheek to publish a threatening letter in the Russian press as he is received as a guest?Apart from being a liar and apart from belonging to a government which is responsible for mass murder and war crimes, Colin Powell demonstrates an absence of good manners and an excess of arrogance, which seems to have rubbed off on him from his partners in crime. Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

Powell's Secret Coup http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/11893_powell.html
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:13 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:16 pm
I say tomahto.
You are merely summarizing and not addressing THE seminal issue when Powell was really recognized to be what he is. it was his wMD speech to the uN(a crock of crap and deceit) The rest is merely post pattern recognition. lets make sure he retires also, conspiracy theories when shotgunned have a habit of bouncing back , just like Kerrys satement about how the europeans are tired of Bush. Whaht Kerry said was so obvious but now hes on a defensive.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:20 pm
A screw up or accident?
What up? Did you post multiples on purpose?

That was just a bit of background on Powell. In my view he has always been a "yes" man and a bootlicker of his Masters. He graduated to become a traitor to America.
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suzy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:21 pm
Whoa! What happened there, Farmerman? Confused
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:28 pm
NAAH I have no idea what happened. I dont do that kind of thing, something must have gone blooie.
oK so we agree on what he is. im po'd because I felt personally violated and scammed by our secretary fo State at the 2003 pre-war show. the hell of it is, that about 50% of the people still trust these 'wiseguys"

Now we have a squad of farmermen. tRUE PATRIOTs all.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:37 pm
50%
Yeah, that 50% still approve of Bushco is depressing. Seems that IlZ is somewhat correct when he constantly says that many Americans are stupid. I feel that it is a combination of stupidity, ignorance and apathy. No way of knowing which factor is in higher degree.

Politicians love stupid, ignorant people the most. It is that many politicians get away with so many crimes, schemes and looting.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:40 pm
Wasn't Powell one of the authors of the blueprint for the Neo-con strategy back in the early nineties? Didn't he and Cheney basically write the whole strategy together? I remember a quote of his regarding the U.S., saying that it would be better for the U.S. to be the "bullies on the block". He didn't just turn into a neo-con recently.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 07:54 pm
Hmmmm
I have read PNAC material but didn't see Powell's name anywhere. I will do more research. Powell did say he would not be avail. as Sec. of State after this term. He will be a distant memory for me after that if any memory of him at all. I am just pistoff at this person now. It will pass.

btw I know my nick here and avatar are in the angry mode but I am not angry every minute of the day. :wink:
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 08:05 pm
I'll check it out too. It might have been some related military strategy that he authored and that Cheney took and re-worked . . . Aaah I wish I could remember it!

And btw, I'm not smoking every minute of the day either. :wink:
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