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Where is the self? How can dualism stand if it's just a fiction?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:28 am
@JLNobody,
That's why I said "your perceptions of it."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5304370)
The "true nature of reality" is your life experiences. It doesn't matter whether your perceptions of it are real or not. It's your biology/brain that experiences it.


Hummm. Is that because you say that is what it is...or is that written somewhere, ci?

You seem to be defining REALITY...but I see no reason to accept that definition without question. In fact, I see no reason to accept that definition because I see it as defective.

The REALITY may be that there are no gods involved in "what IS"...but my life experiences cannot possibly inform me that there are none.

The REALITY may be that a GOD exists...but my life experiences cannot possibly inform me that one does.

In fact, I can probably think of more possible components of REALITY that cannot come to my attention by life experience than that can.

For you to suggest that the true nature of REALITY are my life experiences is about as gratuitous a definition as I can think of.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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For you to suggest that the true nature of REALITY are my life experiences is about as gratuitous a definition as I can think of.


Careful there the argument for Solipsism although unlikely it is not refutable...
Who's to say that we all are not a figment of your imagination...that the "I" is not just one ?

...this one is tricky and I am of the opinion most don't quite get it...the problem is not the "I" per se, as we are many even inside our own heads, but rather what the "I" is...size is the problem !
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Reality is not about gods or no gods.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:42 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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Who's to say that we all are not a figment of your imagination...that the "I" is not just one ?


I certainly would not say that. One of the possibilities is just that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Reality is not about gods or no gods.


Maybe not...maybe it is.

You apparently think you can tell us what the REALITY is.

Hey...who knows. Maybe you can.

My guess is you cannot.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No, I'm only explaining what my opinion about reality. Mostly responding to your "I don't know."
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Okay, I see.

So your statement "Reality is not about gods" is just an opinion.

And I gave you my opinion of that opinion.

I still maintain that I do not know the true nature of REALITY.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You wrote,
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So your statement "Reality is not about gods" is just an opinion.


Correct; in my world, I'm an atheist, so gods do not impact my reality or beliefs.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You could as well have asked how do you know about that Frank...
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 01:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Correct; in my world, I'm an atheist, so gods do not impact my reality or beliefs.


And you are absolutely sure that the true nature of REALITY is determined by you.

Any chance you want to share how you came to this "knowledge?"
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 01:34 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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You could as well have asked how do you know about that Frank...


The "about that" is vague...and could refer to a couple of things.

Why don't you ask me what you think ci might have asked me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 01:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
My reality is determined by me. That's not to say my environment doens't have any influence.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 02:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am not interested in "your" reality, ci.

THE REALITY may be independent of anything you experience...or anything I experience.

You seem to think you determine your reality...but there may not actually be a "your reality" at all. THE REALITY may be that there is no such thing as "your reality."

I am not saying that is the case (I do not know what the REALITY is)...but it is one of the possibilities...a possibility you seem to discard for no reason that I can understand.

Wanna talk about it?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 02:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You wrote,
Quote:
THE REALITY may be independent of anything you experience...or anything I experience.


I disagree. Our experience as we perceive it is our reality.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5304609)
You wrote,
Quote:
THE REALITY may be independent of anything you experience...or anything I experience.



I disagree. Our experience as we perceive it is our reality.


So you are saying it is an impossibility for REALITY to be independent of our experience.

Where did that come from?

Are you suggesting it is not a guess?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 05:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You wrote,
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So you are saying it is an impossibility for REALITY to be independent of our experience.


Quit misinterpreting what I say. Your imagination is only exceeded by your stubbornness.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 05:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I said: "THE REALITY may be independent of anything you experience...or anything I experience."

You said: "I disagree. Our experience as we perceive it is our reality."

You have to be saying it is an impossibility for REALITY to be independent of our experience.

C'mon, ci.

You have got to live with what you wrote!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 05:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I said,
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... as we perceive it is our reality.


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 05:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5304812)
I said,
Quote:
... as we perceive it is our reality.


How does that change it.

You disagreed with my comment I said: "THE REALITY may be independent of anything you experience...or anything I experience."

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