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Lola at the Coffee House

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:27 pm
@farmerman,
the first step in fixing a problem is acknowledgement of the problem. let the data take you were it will man!
vonny
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:42 pm
bump
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vonny
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:43 pm
bumps
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vonny
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:44 pm
oh bump!!!
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:46 pm
@Lola,
Quote:
How many times today did you feel:


A physicist or a mathematician would have advised them not to use "times" in that pre-Darwinian illiterate manner if they wished to impress intelligent people.

And a literate person would have informed them that Compassion, Contentment, Gratitude, Hope, Joy and Laughter are very nebulous concepts. But ticking the box enables the punter to feel better about herself for feeling compassion for a lobster on the platter for half a microsecond, contentment asleep in bed for nine hours, gratitude when somebody wished them a nice day, hope that there was a car-park space at the Mart, joy at there being a Pukka Pie on the yellow sticker display and laughter for a large number of semi-microseconds on reading the idiotic drivel before them.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:51 pm
@spendius,
Anybody fancy doing another version of that to give Lola a better laugh.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 01:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:


the first step in fixing a problem is acknowledgement of the problem.
Im sorta amazed at how naïve you are. Course you've said you are a socialist (wherein all motives are purely for the good of the collective no?)

We are in a major societal fight as to whether a form of socialized medicine will or will not prevail. It aint going away as long as the deep pockets of the health industry pulls the strings of at least one side of the political-healthcare debate.
Lola
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 02:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Holy Hell! You are smarter than the average bear, you get it!


Not bad for an 'ology major. Eh?
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Lola
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 02:26 pm
@farmerman,
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scam, plan, conspiracy. They all seem to crowd around the same concept.

They aren't actually the same thing. But blindness comes in all forms. Those who always see a conspiracy and those who never do are equally blind. Good reality testing requires both observation and intellect. What would you call what's going on with the school boards in Kansas, fm? Whatever you call that, that's what I'm talking about.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 02:45 pm
@Lola,
The Kansas school board antics are not what I would call a conspiracy of much consequence. The serious conspiracies invent that sort of thing to distract everybody from the real thing.

The 'ology majors used to have the workers as their target but now there are so many 'ology majors and a lot of "work" has been re-located, due to the exigencies of the Check-out, that there are only 'ology majors to conspire against.

The insurance company might be trying to find out who on its lists is unable to decipher the fine print in its policy documents.

Insurance companies are bookies. Bookies bet with them on certain things.
George
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:03 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
. . . Insurance companies are bookies.
Darn right.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:04 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:


the first step in fixing a problem is acknowledgement of the problem.
Im sorta amazed at how naïve you are. Course you've said you are a socialist (wherein all motives are purely for the good of the collective no?)

We are in a major societal fight as to whether a form of socialized medicine will or will not prevail. It aint going away as long as the deep pockets of the health industry pulls the strings of at least one side of the political-healthcare debate.

I think that the major problem is that those who use the service are not the one who pays for it...they dont care about price. socialized medicine can work. market medicine can work. medicine run by the insurance companies with no market activity as they pretend to capitalists can not work. there needs to be some constraint of services as well as some punishment for lack of efficiency, we dont have that because the insurance companies spend as much as they feel like however they feel like and then bill us, making sure to add in a large profit for themselves.
Lola
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I think that the major problem is that those who use the service are not the one who pays for it...they dont care about price. socialized medicine can work. market medicine can work. medicine run by the insurance companies with no market activity as they pretend to capitalists can not work. there needs to be some constraint of services as well as some punishment for lack of efficiency, we dont have that because the insurance companies spend as much as they feel like however they feel like and then bill us, making sure to add in a large profit for themselves.


yep.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:42 pm
@Lola,
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you learn pretty quick that when it comes to insurance companies, the plan is about the bottom line being profit at all costs

You know of any private business where that's not true? No one stays in business very long without showing profits.
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For the insurance industry, the best mental health patient is a dead patient.

I doubt that--health insurance companies don't make any money from the dead. They want us alive, helping to support them, and not costing them anything. And I'd rather see them pushing Cognitive Behavior Therapy, which does have demonstrated effectiveness, for things like depression and anxiety, then colluding with Big Pharma to push pills on everyone.

And thank Norman Vincent Peale for the power of positive thinking tack, the insurers didn't come up with that one either.

The packet they sent you was just silly, and the timing, for you, to get that sort of stuff couldn't have been worse. If they really want to cheer people up, they should sent copies of the Monty Python clip that vonny posted.

What drives me crazy are all the charities that waste money by constantly sending me address labels, and note pads, and greeting cards, one regularly also sends me nickels, and then they ask for money. Well, if they'd stop wasting so much money with all these mailings, and freebies, I'd be inclined to send them more.

Life is pretty absurd. Without a sense of humor about it, we'd all be sunk.


ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:51 pm
@George,
Well, there now, I agree with Spendius.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 03:52 pm
@firefly,
So right: If they really want to cheer people up, they should sent copies of the Monty Python clip that vonny posted.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 04:00 pm
@firefly,
it would take a lot of years to make back one $100,000 stint at a residential treatment program, and this might not be the last such bill. imagine what would happen if insurance companies were held financially accountable for the health outcomes of their clients though! what if they only collected money for their stockholders and bosses if they improved or at least maintained the health of there clients? I would love to see a suicide on their watch cost them, and taking a troubled person on and helping them causing the dough to roll in.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 04:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're confusing the insurers with the health care providers who actually deliver the treatment. Psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers can definitely be sued if a patient commits suicide, and, if their negligence was a contributory factor, they will be held accountable and liable. Insurers simply pay for the treatment.

Don't you think people are also responsible for their own health outcomes--particularly when you're talking about rehab? You don't think Lindsay Lohan should bear some responsibility for the outcomes of her various failed rehab treatments? At the moment, she's doing another 90 day court-ordered rehab at the Betty Ford Center. Allegedly, she invited her long time drug dealer to visit her there.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/lindsay-lohan-invites-drug-dealer-to-rehab/

The Betty Ford Center has a pretty good reputation, in terms of treatment outcomes, which is why I suspect their business is good and they have no trouble finding new patients. If Lindsay bombs out after her stay there, I don't think I'd blame them for that.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 04:41 pm
@firefly,
I am sure that you see nothing wrong with the one approving treatment plans having no stake in the outcomes Drunk
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2013 05:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Patients, hawk, stand in the same relation to professionals as trees do to lumber merchants and oysters to posh restaurants. They are the raw material.
 

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