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What to do next - dating an old crush while being separated

 
 
Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2013 06:47 pm
I've been separated for nearly 6 months now and right before xmas, an old crush (Ann)from before my marriage asked me to be her date to a Christmas party. I happily accepted, thinking it was more of an "appearance" date and that it would be nothing but fun. She even said there wouldn't be any making out or sex. A few days later, her best friend asked me the status of my marriage, and at that time, we were trying to work things out. A couple of days later, Ann canceled the date and said it was because I was still trying to work things out with my wife. This gave me the impression that she might have been more interested than I had first thought and I told her that I had a very intense crush on her right before I started dating my wife. To my surprise, she admitted having a crush on me as well but said it was important that I was trying to work things out with my wife and that we remain friends. About 2 weeks after that, it quickly became apparent that my wife and I were never going to work things out and we both lost the ability to care and are not even on talking terms. It's over, done, and not ever going to work. I gave Ann and her daughter xmas presents right before I went out of town for 2 weeks for xmas and she seemed so happy and texted me saying I was an amazing person and we'd hang out when I got back.

A bit about Ann. She's a single mom to an amazing little 6 year old girl and the dad remains in the picture-he lives in town and see's his daughter almost on a daily basis. On the other hand, he doesn't pay a dime towards child care and that brings her a huge amount of stress in her life. Ann grew up with 3 siblings and a single mom who worked her finger to the bone supporting her kids. Her mother had a very, very close relationship with Ann, they were almost inseparable and even slept in the same bed for many years. She's a perfectionist and it's quickly apparent that she devotes her entire life to her daughter and is an amazing mom. She's 100% self sufficient and works very hard and is very proud of that. She said, since she grew up with her mom having boyfriends that would constantly come and go. She hated that as a kid and she vowed to never give her daughter that life. This means we can only hang out when her daughter is at her dad's house and that her house is for her and her daughter only. I respect that to the upmost and I do not want to do anything that would infringe on that at all.

Anyway, back to the timeline. When I got back from vacation, she popped up on chat one night and was asking me about my "situation" and I told her that we weren't' trying to work things out anymore and I was only trying to stay involved in my stepson's life. Her b-day was coming up and she said she didn't really have plans for her b-day night but was to going to a concert the next week as her belated b-day celebration. She was going with friends and invited me along and said if I went, it was going to be her best b-day present. Also before that, we spoke on the phone and she talked about taking a trip with me right when I got divorced and we'd call it my divorce celebration. The night before the concert, she invited me to her house and we had an amazing time hanging out and later went out for drinks and came back to her house and watched documentaries until early in the morning. I said I had to go and she walked me out to the car and gave me a vice-like hug and I kissed her on the lips and said goodbye. About 5 minutes from leaving her house, she called and texted me saying I could stay at her house and that she was worried about me driving. I drove back and we slept together and things went as far as making out and falling asleep in each other's arms. The next night, we went to the concert and then went back to her house to sleep. When we walked in the door, she grabbed me and kissed me and we went upstairs to sleep. This time the make out session was more intense and when I left in the morning, she texted me and said she had a great time hanging out with me for the last 2 days.

So, after that, I was walking around in a state of bliss. The more I learn about her, the more amazing and perfect I find her and it just feels "right" when we're together. I've even had a few friends comment over the years that we would make a great couple.

We didn't talk for a few days after that and this is where I think I started making mistakes. I texted her over the weekend saying "I hope this isn't bad to say but I'm kinda missing you". I didn't receive a reply until Monday and she called me and we spoke about it. She said we had to talk about being married and said this was the "only" problem and if it wasn't for this, we'd be dating now. She said for right now that she likes hanging out with me but, since I was married, at this time there would be "NO feelings at all" from me. She said she was a little bit freaked out when she got the text but also said she was feeling the same thing and that she had an amazing time hanging out and that she loved sleeping with me. She told me that if it wasn't for me being married, we'd be together. She even said her best friend was saying that I was great for her and she said her friend doesn't ever say that. About an hour after the phone conversation, she texted me this: "You make me smile. I am into you, for sure. Good night". I think I made the mistake of replying something that sounded way to eager and enthusiastic.

She lives in the next town over, about 30 mins away from me and I'm often in town a couple times a week. When we spoke a few times that week, she asked me if I was in town and stopping by and I called her one night and said I was going to be in town and if it was ok if I stopped by. Her daughter was at home that night, upstairs sleeping. We had a great time but she kept being jumpy when she thought her daughter woke up and might come down the stairs. I made the mistake of assuming I could crash at her house again and she said definitely not since her daughter was at home. She was very adamantent about it and I apologized and felt stupid for assuming that this was ok. Out the door, she gave me a hug but no kiss and told me to text her when got home. I texted her and she said "thanks for hanging out, we'll talk soon". My sensitive side was hurt because she seemed different than the last time we hung out, but my rational side was telling me that she was only reacting this way because her daughter was there and she's only sticking by her promise to her daughter that she didn't want to give her a life of strange guys coming and going. I texted her the next morning and apologized for assuming I could stay over there and she never replied and I haven't heard a peep from her since-3 days ago. This has happened so fast and we aren't at the point where we talk on a daily basis so this really isn't strange we haven't spoken since then but I'm getting a gut feeling that I may have pushed this too fast or she's having second thoughts. The bottom feels like it's dropped out - it doesn't feel right.

I want to be extremely careful to respect her relationship with her daughter and I fully realize and respect that we can't get closer until I'm divorced but I've got a knot the size of Texas that's saying her feelings might have changed or I may have messed up in some other way. I've resolved to give it a couple of more days to see if she'll contact me before I break down and call her. I don't want to give her the impression that I'm a needy or suffocating guy and I'm afraid of being seen as too eager which can be a turn off.

I don't know what's the best way to proceed at this point and I'm worried about screwing this up if I haven't already.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2013 10:58 am
What have you done about legally ending your marriage - as far as gettiing a lawyer and filing for divorce? So far, I see that you are just separated and quite frankly, have no business starting something serious up with anyone else.

I bet your new friend sees this the same way I do.

End A before starting up B.
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cainsim74
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2013 08:58 pm
@cainsim74,
So basically, it looks like asking to stay the night was the deal killer. I finally got a text from her 4 days later saying "
I'm sorry, things are weird now. I should have never let you come over when **** is home. It's my #1 of being a mom. Never, ever will a guy be at our home when she is home. This is her safe place, and that means no over night guests unless I have prepared her for it. That situation made me realize that I need to take things waaaaaay slow. And maybe I'm still not ready to let another person into our lives".

I apologized and said totally understood told her I was going to ask her if I should leave her alone. and that I felt like I crossed the line. She said we would call me on Wednesday night and said "We are cool, I promise. Lets just chill for a minute and kind of start over"

She never called and by midnight, I just said I was going to make myself scarce. All she said in the morning was "I was already asleep".

So with that, it's a big F*** the whole thing she won't hear from me again. I can't see for the life of me why people like dating. It's never meant anything to me except waste time and money so you can feel like $#%^.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 08:19 am
I never brought guys home either when I was divorced. My three kids did not need to see that . . . Good for her.

Believe her: she is not ready for the intensity of a new relationship.

Like the song says: She "needs to breathe."

Leave her alone for a few days and then try again - but don't act so desperate.
cainsim74
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 10:47 am
@PUNKEY,
abitbroken;5598340 wrote:
Yes, but you are only 6 months into a separation. She initially cancelled because she found out you might be reconciling. You should have accepted that and got back with her if you did end up getting a divorce down the road. Instead, you pursued. She has been an influence in getting back with your wife because you have Ann as a carrot. I think, speaking as a divorced person myself, you should just focus on healing and whatever your marriage brings - reconcilation, divorce, a long seperation that ends in figuring out your differences - whatever it is. You may not talk now, but your marriage is not over until you are divorced for real. Ann is very smart not to intro to you to her daughter or get involved.

Do Ann, yourself and the next woman if you don't end up Ann a favor and work through your stuff. Whatever your role in the break down of your marriage was is something you need to work through personally so you don't jump into the same mistakes.

Ann may or may not be interested after you divorce - this is your time to heal and figure out who you are, not to focus on getting with a woman.



The only reason I felt comfortable going over to her house that night was, twice that week she thought I was in town and kept asking "are you stopping by" and those were nights she had her daughter. Also, she's invited me to her house a few times when her daughter was over so I assumed this one time, when I was in town, I could stop by. Now, stopping by is different than spending the night and I get that and respect that to the upmost and would honor that religiously from here on out. It has to be noted too that she said to stop by the store and get some wine and we partied a bit which was the main reason I asked so I didn't drive under the influence. I do feel I could be give a bit of forgiveness for that - especially after apologizing at least 3 times.

As far as slowing things down. I've I feel like I HAVE been moving pretty slow except for the one text I sent. Now her, I would say no not in any shape or form. She verbally says that, but let's recap the facts.

1. She asked me out on a date.
2. When she asked me out on the date, she said to call her to hang out as well anytime and invited me over to her house to hang out (while her daughter was there) that friday.
3. Before Xmas, she kept talking about going on trips with her and even going to stay at a beach house with her and her daughter.
4. When I got back from Xmas, she again, approached me first and kept asking about my "situation" with my wife.
5. More talks about going on a trip together, in fact, one trip would be our "divorce celebration" trip
6. She invites me to a show and says if I show up, it will be her b-day present.
7. When we hang out at her house and I leave, she calls me and has be come back and let's me sleep with her and make out.
8. after the show, we hang out again, second night in a row and I sleep over again, more make out sessions
9. The next morning, she texts me and says how much fun she had.
10. She texts me and says "you make me smile, I'm into you for sure"
11. Asks repeatedly, if I'm coming over to see her.
12. Tells me the marriage is the ONLY obstacle and if it wasn't for that, we'd be together and said "We'd have been ****ing all over this damn house by now if you weren't married"
13. Keeps telling me all the ways we might be compatible.
14 Asks me questions like "am I too young for you"
15. She tells me how her best friends were telling her we would be good for each other and that they NEVER say that about any guy.

So aside from my text saying "I was kinda missing her" and asking if I could stay the night, that's really all the "rushing" and pushing things that I've done. I've been trying to actually move pretty slow and I've said that many, many times.

I really was fine being on my own, working on myself, working through what I've been through in the last few years. I've been doing a lot of counseling to work on areas where I feel I went wrong in my marriage. I had no desire to date unless it was something exceptional and I mean EXCEPTIONAL.

I really do feel like the worst thing I could do is contact her at this point. If she contacts me that would be great but I feel like I'm being treated almost with a high degree of disdain right now for asking to spend the night and really don't feel like it's fair. I've apologized 3 times over text and she won't reply to any of them and never said she would try to call me back to talk like she planned on Wed and didn't even apologize. It feels almost hateful and we have so many mutual friends it's going to be completely awkward and I don't know if I should avoid social situations where she might be there.

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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 12:48 pm
Ann?
cainsim74
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 09:41 pm
@jespah,
Jespah - didn't understand your reply?

So more developments on that. I finally got a reply from her and I feel like a complete *** and I'm still completely confused. She replied with a long text saying she had a completely horrible week and he hasn't even spoken to anyone for at least a week. Her daughter got very sick and this time of year is the anniversary of her step dad's death 2 years ago. She's still grieving deeply over his death as she and him were very close and she considered him to be his real father. I seem to remember in the last 2 years, she has had similar periods of seclusion and I should have taken this into account. She told me she wasn't in a good space to have our talk and to not take things so personally. I completely apologized again saying that I got consumed with the idea I ****** her off and that I was trying to get relief from the guilt and that I would back off and whatever happens, I still wanted to always be friends like we have been. She said thank you, promised we were cool and said she would call me soon to go out for a beer but couldn't put a time frame on it. That was exactly a week ago and there hasn't been any contact at all. The good thing is that I haven't felt the urge to call her.

On one hand I do feel like I can't be too hard on myself for being a bit neurotic about this as it was only 4 days before when she said she "was into me for sure", said the ONLY thing that was keeping us together was the fact that we were married, and that "we'd have been f***ing all over this damn house by now" and then total communication breakdown. On the other hand I'm pretty disgusted at myself for badgering her and my lack of "cool". My paranoid side is throwing out all sorts of scenarios from here on out - "She saw something in me that she didn't like and got second thoughts", "she's using this as an excuse to blow me off", "I won't hear from her again, and the next time I see her she will be indifferent and avoid me", "she likes some other guy"... My rational side is saying "keep waiting this out, keep work on yourself and prepare yourself for the worst". I really want to have a chance to ask her best friend what I should think, expect, do but I don't know if that would be wise either.

This is just agonizing and frustrating - I have a hard time believing she would give me this many signs and then retract all that just as quickly and pretend we didn't share anything.
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