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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 01:49 pm
@parados,
Naw, guns aren't the problem! If there were no guns, how many would still be alive today? None? LOL
Some people's love of guns have frozen their thinking that guns isn't the problem.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/

From the above article.
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The pattern is staggering. A number of U.S. cities have gun homicide rates in line with the most deadly nations in the world.

If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.
Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).
Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).
Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).
Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).
Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).
Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).
Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).
Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).
Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).
Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).
Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).
Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).
New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).
Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 01:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Consider the source
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 02:36 pm
@genefog2,
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So school shootings and churches where unarmed law abiding citizens were gunned down by armed psychos is not reality?

Of course it is reality. What is also reality is that the vast majority of shootings occur in places that are not gun free zones. You had claimed that the majority of shootings occur in gun free zones which is NOT reality. At least 85% of shootings occur in areas that are not gun free and it could well be that over 90% of shootings occur in areas that are not designated gun free. That is the reality you want to deny.

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I wish we could take all of you gun ban supporters
What gun ban supporters? There you go again. Making up things.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 03:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Once more the nation murder rate from guns and for any other reasons is at a 50 years low and damn near a hundred year low.

It was double what it is now in 1980.

You would never know that from the news media now would you????????
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 03:12 pm
@parados,
LOL as there are many more places that are not gun free zones then that are gun free zones so the risk of being attack in a gun free zone could be a great deal greater then in a non gun free zone and yet not be where any great numbers of shooting occur.

Someone would need to do far more research to pin the matter down one way or another.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 04:35 pm
@BillRM,
The research has been done. 87% of gun homicides occur in or near homes, on streets or in cars.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 04:46 pm
@parados,
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he research has been done. 87% of gun homicides occur in or near homes, on streets or in cars.


So that tell us nothing of how high the risk is in gun free zones compare to non guns free zones as once more the sheer percents of shootings outside non gun free zones as we need to know how common gun free zones are compare to non gun free zones to even begin to get an idea of the comparison risk.

Then again it would be helpful to break out mass shootings from all shooting and where that kind of shooting happen.

My bet off hand is that mass shootings of the kind that happen at Newtown occur far more in gun free zones then non gun free zones.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 06:16 pm
@BillRM,
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My bet off hand is that mass shootings of the kind that happen at Newtown occur far more in gun free zones then non gun free zones.

You mean you want to bet that mass shootings happen where large groups of people congregate? Wow.. That's really going out on a limb.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 07:44 pm
@parados,
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You mean you want to bet that mass shootings happen where large groups of people congregate? Wow.. That's really going out on a limb.


So all places where there are large groups of people are gun free zones in your opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strange as I myself had been armed in a lot of places that was not gun free zones where there was one hell of a lot of people around in fact hundreds of people in some cases.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 07:48 am
@BillRM,
So if most commercial zones, malls and other public places are not gun free zones that means over 90-95% of gun homicides occur in areas that are not "gun free zones."
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 08:19 am
@parados,
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So if most commercial zones, malls and other public places are not gun free zones that means over 90-95% of gun homicides occur in areas that are not "gun free zones."


So you are so unsure of your position that you need to try to be dishonest?

Sorry I said if you break out the mass killings/shootings crimes my bet would be that most of them do indeed occur in so call gun free zones not all murders.

Would you care to address that issue without playing games???????

Second comment if you do not know how the average populations of gun free zone compare to non gun free zones you can not even compare the overall risks repeat risk not sheer numbers of shootings in being in either type of zones in any case, as I am sure if you care to be honest you would agree with that statement.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:30 am
@BillRM,
So we should only deal with mass killings when it comes to gun deaths? That seems a bit odd, don't you think Bill? Haven't you argued that an assault weapon ban is silly because long guns kill so few people?

By the way, here are the mass shootings for 2012.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/us-mass-shootings-2012/

Feel free to tell us which ones were in gun free zones. It looks like about half to me.

There are only 84 deaths total in mass shootings in 2012. That is a lot less than the total homicides by long guns which were 606. But you only want to deal with mass killings it seems. By the way, assault weapons were used or carried by the perp in 43 of the deaths out of the 84 total deaths. That would seem to point to assault weapons being used in the majority of mass shooting deaths during 2012.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:33 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

So we should only deal with mass killings when it comes to gun deaths? That seems a bit odd, don't you think Bill? Haven't you argued that an assault weapon ban is silly because long guns kill so few people?

By the way, here are the mass shootings for 2012.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/us-mass-shootings-2012/

Feel free to tell us which ones were in gun free zones. It looks like about half to me.

There are only 84 deaths total in mass shootings in 2012. That is a lot less than the total homicides by long guns which were 606. But you only want to deal with mass killings it seems. By the way, assault weapons were used or carried by the perp in 43 of the deaths out of the 84 total deaths. That would seem to point to assault weapons being used in the majority of mass shooting deaths during 2012.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:40 am

http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/tctc100/default/gun-control-victim-disarmament--large-msg-134419362515.jpg
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:43 am
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfScbDV22Sc/UPYc7W8RQwI/AAAAAAAAK1A/JsgRyxGjRxw/s1600/adolf+hitler+disarm+the+people.jpg
parados
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:50 am
@H2O MAN,
That's funny Spurt. What is even funnier is that you actually think Hitler said that as quoted.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 09:56 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

That's funny Spurt. What is even funnier is that you actually think Hitler said that as quoted.

Parasite, I find no evidence that the exact quote can be attributed to Adolf Hitler, but you can't disprove that he said it.
If Hitler isn't responsible for the exact quote, then it was derived from words Hitler did speak.

Either way, any effort to disarm law abiding citizens will fail.

What makes you think law abiding citizens will comply with new laws
when criminals have never complied with any laws and never will?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 10:01 am
@H2O MAN,
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Re: parados (Post 5272996)
parados wrote:

That's funny Spurt. What is even funnier is that you actually think Hitler said that as quoted.


Parasite, I find no evidence that the exact quote can be attributed to Adolf Hitler, but you can't disprove that he said it.
If Hitler isn't responsible for the exact quote, then it was derived from words Hitler did speak.


While it may resemble some of the notions Hitler advocated...at best it is a superficial rendering of what he said. He was not a gun-ban advocate for the German people...we do know that.

In any case, there are other theories about the quote.

The one I favor is:

It was invented by some gun-rights nut case.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 10:07 am


In this case, Obama and his left wing anti gun rights thugs are focusing their
attention on the American people. It's the anti gun rights nuts we have to watch.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2013 10:54 am
@H2O MAN,
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Parasite, I find no evidence that the exact quote can be attributed to Adolf Hitler, but you can't disprove that he said it.


You posted something in quotes that was directly attributed to Hitler.
Now you want to back away and say I can't disprove it? You continue to prove how much of an idiot you are.

But I think I can disprove he said it as quoted. The quote is in English. Hitler spoke German.
 

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