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Venezuela and Russia to hold joint military exercises the Caribbean Sea

 
 
Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 05:58 am
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CARACAS (Reuters) - Several Russian ships and 1,000 soldiers will take part in joint naval maneuvers with Venezuela in the Caribbean Sea later this year, exercises likely to increase diplomatic tensions with Washington, a pro-government newspaper reported on Saturday.

Quoting Venezuela's naval intelligence director, Salbarore Cammarata, the newspaper Vea said four Russian boats would visit Venezuelan waters from November 10 to 14.

Plans for the naval operations come at a time of heightened diplomatic tension and Cold War-style rhetoric between Moscow and the United States over the recent war in Georgia and plans for a U.S. missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland.

Cammarata said it would be the first time Russia's navy carried out such exercises in Latin America. He said the Venezuelan air force would also take part.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an outspoken critic of Washington, has said in recent weeks that Russian ships and planes are welcome to visit the South American country.

"If the Russian long-distance planes that fly around the world need to land at some Venezuelan landing strip, they are welcome, we have no problems," he said on his weekly television show last week.

Chavez, who buys billions of dollars of weapons from Russia, has criticized this year's reactivation of the U.S. Navy's Fourth Fleet, which will patrol Latin America for the first time in over 50 years.

The socialist Chavez says he fears the United States will invade oil-rich Venezuela and he supports Russia's growing geopolitical presence as a counterbalance to U.S. power.

Chavez has bought fighter jets and submarines from Russia to retool Venezuela's aging weapons and says he is also interested in a missile defense system.

(Reporting by Frank Jack Daniel; Editing by Peter Cooney)

Source: Reuters
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 12:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Chavez has bought fighter jets and submarines from Russia to retool Venezuela's aging weapons and says he is also interested in a missile defense system.


What the goose can deploy, so too can the gander?
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 12:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That kind of saber rattling is dumb. Neither Venezuela nor Russia have any real ability to project power in the region. Saber rattling is supposed to be scary.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 01:14 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I see no reason that could or should prevent Venezuela from purchasing armaments that they feel are necessary for their self defense. As the largest supplier of armaments in the world, the US wouldn't be so hypocritical as to deny markets to others.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 01:20 pm
@JTT,
I didn't say anything about arms sales. Russia is angry that the US sent military ships to Georgia and has asked how the US would feel about them trying to project power in the Americas.

Given that they can't project power in the Americas to any significant extent it's a pathetic attempt to tweak America back.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 01:24 pm
@JTT,
Venezuela has money and dreams of being a regional power, Russia has arms to sell and wants a pound of flesh for our messing with Georgia and Ukraine, it is a good match. We have done a poor job with south america ( AND central America), it is not beyond the question that they will have some success.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 01:41 pm
@Robert Gentel,
robert wrote :

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Given that they can't project power in the Americas to any significant extent it's a pathetic attempt to tweak America back.



have you never given someone "the finger" (even behind your back) even though you knew , you couldn't lick them ? >GRIN

i don't think it's anything for the americans to get upset about .
hbg
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 01:45 pm
@hamburger,
i don#t think that any american subscribe the view of corporate controlled criminals.
What i regret is this.
USA is as banal as anycounty
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 06:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
W is overextending USA's resources. With Iraq the national debt ballooned to 9 trillion dollars. The bully is picking a fight with everyone. The next president will have to paper over all the mess.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 06:01 pm
@hamburger,
Exactly, this is so clearly a tit for tat move without any real significance to the balance of power that it shouldn't be taken too seriously as a threat.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 07:52 pm
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(CNN) -- Two Russian bombers have landed at a Venezuelan airfield, from which they will carry out training flights for several days, the Russian news agency Interfax reported Wednesday.

The Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bombers landed at Venezuela's Libertador military airfield and "will spend several days carrying out training flights over neutral waters, after which they will return to the base," Interfax reported, citing the Russian Defense Ministry.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/10/russia.venezuela/index.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 07:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday ordered the U.S. ambassador out of the oil exporting country in an escalating battle between Washington and Latin America's left-wing leaders.

"Go to hell, s--- yankees, we are a dignified people, go to hell 100 times," Chavez shouted at a political rally to thousands of roaring supporters.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-venezuela-chavez.html
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Endymion
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 11:19 pm
Perhaps Russia are there to PROTECT the oil yielding country of Venezuela

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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 12:39 am
Can't say as I'm surprised - but Pakistan and Venezuela both in the space of a few days, standing up and saying.... well, read for yourself...


Chavez acts over US-Bolivia row

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is expelling the US envoy to Caracas, amid an escalating regional diplomatic row.

Mr Chavez said US ambassador Patrick Duddy had 72 hours to leave, adding the move was in solidarity with Bolivia.

It came just hours after Washington ordered out the Bolivian ambassador, in response to its own envoy being told to leave Bolivia.

Bolivia accuses the US envoy of inciting growing violent protests against President Evo Morales.

At least eight people were killed and some 20 injured in clashes between pro- and anti-government groups in Bolivia on Thursday.

Bolivia has seen large numbers of protests in recent weeks by opponents of Mr Morales's economic and social policies.

'Go to hell'

President Chavez used coarse language to describe his feelings about Washington as he ordered the expulsion of US envoy Patrick Duddy.

"The Yankee ambassador to Caracas has 72 hours to leave Venezuela, in solidarity with Bolivia, with the Bolivian people, and with the Bolivian government," Mr Chavez said.

"Go to hell 100 times," he said.

Mr Chavez also announced that he was recalling his envoy from Washington.

Earlier, the US state department declared that the Bolivian ambassador in Washington, Gustavo Guzman, was "persona non grata".

State department spokesman Sean McCormack said the decision was taken "in response to unwarranted actions, and in accordance with the Vienna Convention [on diplomatic protocol]".

He referred to Wednesday's move by Bolivia to expel US Ambassador Philip Goldberg.

President Morales accused Mr Goldberg of "conspiring against democracy" and encouraging the break-up of Bolivia, but Mr McCormack said the expulsion was a "grave error", describing the accusations as "baseless".

more
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7611705.stm
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 03:01 am
@Endymion,
quite fascinating really. Dont mess with the Russians, that's what I say. They have the oil and natural gas. America imports nearly 60% of its daily oil requirement. Thats the basic facts of geopolitical life.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 05:39 am
@Robert Gentel,
That's about the way I'd view it.
Endymion
 
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Reply Sat 13 Sep, 2008 01:47 pm
@gungasnake,
so, are you in the KKK?
(Just looking at your sig, like - and wondering why you put that in there)
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 13 Sep, 2008 01:57 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

That's about the way I'd view it.


yep Cool
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 10:56 pm
I know this an old thread, but I found it shortsighted to describe Russia's power as oil and gas exports. Has everyone forgotten that Russia still maintains nuclear weapons with delivery systems that can reach the U.S.? Russian air command resumed the armed LRA missions that flew great distances during the Cold War, and this was reported in all major newspapers while Bush was still in office. Even Saint Reagan urged trust but verify. Don't get paranoid but please pay attention to the rest of the world. I can assure you the rest of the world pays attention to what goes on in the U.S., and I'm not talking about American Idol.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 12:22 pm
@glitterbag,
You ought to get out more, GB, your propaganda is showing.
 

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