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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 03:38 pm
@BillRM,
Now you're talking about Obama...
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MP4LIFE
 
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Reply Fri 1 Mar, 2013 09:10 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
This is actually a very well thought out question and very clever. I hope I answer in a way that expresses my view without trying to clearly side with one.

If this process comes down, most likely, as it is currently happening, we'll see the laws and new restrictions pass, most likely due to executive orders. Shortly after and through the 10th amendment, the people will get the gun control bans repealed and then some new measure without much in it come through and pass. With the new laws to be what our new gun control will be, but probably just leaves law-abiding citizens still cursing.

The other side I can see happening with current actions on all sides. This would be the most extreme by far. With the president using Executive orders to enforce gun control measures that he deems necessary. Many county sheriffs have already stated that they won't enforce these laws, which might push the President to try and enforce the laws himself (utilizing the Military or other Federal Agencies), which in response the Sheriffs would activate National Guard units, which could lead to he second American Civil War (just the same reason the first happened).

Those are the only 2 options I really see happening. Obviously I most likely expect the first happen, but with all the posturing and preparing for all the legislation going on, then maybe if all else fails to work the way it should, then the second could possibly happen; otherwise, I don't see much else happening. I feel that the biggest thing is the media attention on this, it's just causing a lot of people to pick a side, without much compromise that is necessary to enact and pass legislation like this that affects so many people. I honestly think some good could come out of all this, if only Obama and his campaign on Gun Control would sit down and talk with people on how people really feel about it, and just discuss the new laws they want to pass and compromise til they find a solution both sides can agree on.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 06:41 am


Court to consider whether speedy approval of NY gun controls violated constitution
parados
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 08:20 am
@H2O MAN,
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No question about it, but why do you think the Feds would choose to enforce gun confiscation in a group of counties,
towns, cities and entire states that choose not to participate in the disarmament of otherwise law abiding American citizens?

I am curious Spurt, aren't you the one proposing we enforce the gun laws no matter what?
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 08:25 am
@MP4LIFE,
Quote:
The other side I can see happening with current actions on all sides. This would be the most extreme by far. With the president using Executive orders to enforce gun control measures that he deems necessary. Many county sheriffs have already stated that they won't enforce these laws, which might push the President to try and enforce the laws himself (utilizing the Military or other Federal Agencies), which in response the Sheriffs would activate National Guard units, which could lead to he second American Civil War (just the same reason the first happened).

Wow....
First of all the President can't pass laws with executive orders.
Second, county sheriffs don't have to enforce Fed law. Federal agents do that.
Third, the President can't use the military for law enforcement purposes in the US.
Fourth Sheriffs can not activate National Guard units.

Also, The 10th amendment won't repeal gun control laws. There is a long history of Federal gun control laws being legal and constitutional.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 08:27 am
@H2O MAN,
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The New Yorkers are representing themselves, without lawyers

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/02/court-to-review-speedy-approval-ny-gun-controls/#ixzz2MOOywL7I

I think that statement shows about how far this will actually go in the courts. Courts will give them deference to appear in court but won't accept mumbo-jumbo that has nothing to do with the actual law.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 08:36 am


In separating gun-control bills, Democrats reveal strategy

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 08:37 am


Democrat U.S. Sen. Baldwin a liberal skeptic on gun control

http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/shdredscott.jpg
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 09:03 am
@parados,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: MP4LIFE (Post 5267193)
Quote:
The other side I can see happening with current actions on all sides. This would be the most extreme by far. With the president using Executive orders to enforce gun control measures that he deems necessary. Many county sheriffs have already stated that they won't enforce these laws, which might push the President to try and enforce the laws himself (utilizing the Military or other Federal Agencies), which in response the Sheriffs would activate National Guard units, which could lead to he second American Civil War (just the same reason the first happened).


Wow....
First of all the President can't pass laws with executive orders.
Second, county sheriffs don't have to enforce Fed law. Federal agents do that.
Third, the President can't use the military for law enforcement purposes in the US.
Fourth Sheriffs can not activate National Guard units.

Also, The 10th amendment won't repeal gun control laws. There is a long history of Federal gun control laws being legal and constitutional.


Also...the "reason" for the American Civil War...is misconstrued in MP's post.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 10:22 am
@parados,
But! but! the second amendment is paramount over any other amendment.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 11:11 am
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64428_10151291268077596_11079290_n.jpg
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 11:12 am
@Lustig Andrei,
http://www.setyoufreenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Diane-Feinstein-260x194.jpeg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 2 Mar, 2013 11:10 pm
@H2O MAN,
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Free people own guns slaves don't


It never never that simple

In our own history trusted slaves had own guns or have guns at least including some of George Washington slaves who used the guns to hunted for food for the Washington household.

Then farther back in world history we have a whole army make up of slaves, the Janissaries, with firearms and even artillery when they both became available to armed then with in the 1500s or so.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 05:03 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64428_10151291268077596_11079290_n.jpg


Kee-rist, I hate to agree with anything H2O posts, but...
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 05:40 am
@FBM,
It is impossible to even make a start on disarming criminals whilst there are 300 million guns in circulation.

If guns were outlawed unless authorised there are procedures for continually reducing the number in circulation. Because zero guns is a pipe dream is not an argument for having 300 million.

If there are 300 million then that is the choice of the population and it will then have to put up with the consequences. If Congress votes for the status quo it votes for the consequences. Weeping is useless.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 06:40 am
@spendius,
Also, massacres/rampages tend to be carried out by weapons that are legally obtained. How does making sure that gun shows carry out the same backround checks as gun stores affect the 'law abiding' anyway?
Ice Demon
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 07:06 am
@izzythepush,
So what? The one thing we know would NOT help is make guns more freely available to the gangs and other criminals. Ask any prosecutor, cop or academic crime expert and they’ll tell you the same.
This is really a very silly argument to be making.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 07:27 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It is impossible to even make a start on disarming criminals whilst there are 300 million guns in circulation.

If guns were outlawed unless authorised there are procedures for continually reducing the number in circulation. Because zero guns is a pipe dream is not an argument for having 300 million.

If there are 300 million then that is the choice of the population and it will then have to put up with the consequences. If Congress votes for the status quo it votes for the consequences. Weeping is useless.



Yup. The majority of the citizenry are up for tighter restrictions, but not prohibition. Prohibition has a pretty shitty track record. That said, those who want to **** up with a gun will have various sources for those guns for the foreseeable future. The millions already out there that are unregistered, cross-border sources, even basement manufactured sources. Anybody with access to a WalMart or Home Depot can set up a pretty advanced manufacturing hobby shop in his/her basement.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 07:55 am
@Ice Demon,
Don't be ridiculous, it's ridiculously easy to get hold of a gun in America, because the country is awash with guns. When we had the Dunblane massare we tightened up control, and have one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world.

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Allow for population difference and we get a gun murder rate of about 0.1 per 100,000 people in England and Wales.

In America the rate is about 3.6 per 100,000 or about 2.9 per 100,000 if you prefer to use the FBI figures. The gun murder rate is 33 or 27 times higher in America, depending on where you get your data.


http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/gun-control-what-can-america-learn-from-britain/12466

I'm so glad to live in a country where the 'silly argument' about gun control holds sway. The figures speak for themselves.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2013 08:01 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Don't be ridiculous, it's ridiculously easy to get hold of a gun in America, because the country is awash with guns.


That's what 'they' want you to think, but it's not like that. Our constitutional
republic is well armed, but guns & ammo just don't fall from the sky like Skittles.
 

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