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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 09:34 am

States move to ban enforcement of illegal federal laws that infringe 2nd amendment rights
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 10:57 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
parados wrote:
I didn't realize bums and drug addicts could pass the current required background check


Why can not most of them pass such checks as all that is needed is that they had not been convicted of a felony for the most part?


You might want to look at the way the Obama Administration has been running the system.

Anyone who fails a drug test is automatically put on the list of people barred from buying guns.

Anyone who is accused of domestic violence is automatically put on the list of people barred from buying guns, without any effort being made to determine whether the charges are legitimate or not.

And one of Obama's "23 executive orders" puts all people who receive a disability check from the federal government on the list of people barred from buying guns, if their government check has to go to someone else because they cannot handle their own finances.



Also, even though federal law bars the government from recording Form 4473s en masse, as soon as Obama took office, the ATF began going into all the gun stores and scanning all their Form 4473s into a computer.

So in addition to being a massive civil rights violation, this idea to expand background checks is part of a secret illegal gun registration list.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 11:05 am
@oralloy,
It's nice to know you want people with criminal intent to buy guns oralloy. I bet you want child killers to have guns too. A straw purchase of a gun is a crime. You are supporting straw purchases of weapons in this case.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 11:12 am
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Even though a record number of Minnesotans have permits to carry firearms, only a tiny number ever have pulled the trigger in self-defense.

Five instances of justifiable use of a firearm by a permit holder have been reported to the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) since 2003, although some recent self-defense shootings haven’t been counted.
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The annual BCA gun reports also show that permit holders have been convicted of 124 crimes using a firearm since 2003.



I guess CCW permit holders are more likely to commit a crime than fire their gun in self defense.

http://www.startribune.com/local/192919031.html
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 11:30 am


I guess Obama voters, supporters and apologists are more likely to commit a crime than all others combined.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 12:49 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
You are supporting straw purchases of weapons in this case.


Actually no. By opposing the expansion of background checks, I was supporting the ability of people to buy guns directly (say at a gun show) without needing to face a background check to begin with.

No background check = no need to deceive a background check.



However, that said, as long as the background check system is being abused to violate the rights of law abiding gun owners, I also think it is perfectly fine for people to skirt the system by using straw buyers.

On a moral level, that would be a similar move to Rosa Parks challenging the Apartheid-style system of segregation that used to exist in the southeast US.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 01:00 pm
@oralloy,
Oh... your statement was a non sequitur. OK.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 01:19 pm

Cool Idea

Second American Revolution on the horizon?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 01:40 pm
@parados,
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The annual BCA gun reports also show that permit holders have been convicted of 124 crimes using a firearm since 2003.


First over a decade a 124 conviction out of many hundreds of thousands license holders in a decade is a small number and second if it is anything like in Florida almost all of those misdeeds have nothing to do with using those firearms to harm anyone or in criminal acts and instead revolved around carrying them into places they are not allow to.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 03:46 pm
@BillRM,
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or in criminal acts and instead revolved around carrying them into places they are not allow to.

Gosh Bill. Next you'll be arguing we should enforce the gun laws we have.
If it's a crime to carry a gun in a place then that is a CRIME. But you somehow want to excuse some gun crimes as somehow not being a crime involving a gun.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 05:03 pm
Obama got my shotgun
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130124154821-biden-google-story-top.jpg
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 10:04 pm
If everyone on the planes involved in 9/11 had shotguns with them 9/11 would never have happened. Thats justification for having guns in schools and churches. I also think the county I live in is taking my 2nd admendment rights away from me because they wont let me take my ak47 into the county courthouse.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2013 10:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Oh... your statement was a non sequitur. OK.


No. That you read into my statement something that I didn't say, does not make my statement a non sequitur.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2013 07:39 am
@oralloy,
The fact that I can't read anything into your statement that is germane to the specific discussion I was having makes it non sequitur.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2013 07:48 am


Published on Feb 25, 2013

The National Rifle Association claims it has obtained a Justice Apartment memo that notes President Obama's gun control initiatives would be ineffective without seizing citizens' assault rifles and requiring a federal gun registration.

In televised advertisements across 15 states, the NRA is now citing the nine-page memo as 'proof' that the administration "believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation."

The advertisements have caused heated discussion about the extent that the government wants to take gun control legislation. "Still think President Obama's proposals sound reasonable?" the NRA's chief Washington lobbyist, Chris W. Cox, says in the ad.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2013 09:04 am
@parados,
Sorry a CC holder carrying a gun into a bar that get less then half of it income from selling food is not the same misdeed as robbing someone at gun point for example however posting that a hundred or so CC holders had been charge with a crime that is being posted without a break down of the so call crimes is a clear attempt to imply that the crimes are serous life threatening misdeeds instead of mostly very minor ones that threaten no one with harm.

At least that the break down in the state of Florida and I assume that there is a similar break down in the other states.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2013 12:33 pm


Teach your children well

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2013 09:40 pm


Dems ramp up push for assault weapons ban, face headwinds from states
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2013 04:44 pm


Senate committee postpones work on gun bills
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2013 06:24 pm


Thousands fill Capitol to protest gun-control law


Thousands at Capitol protest N.Y. gun-control law
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