The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

LOL maybe the suicide bombers did not know of this law and would not had been willing to break it if they had but known!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if I hadn't known one of the victims personally, I wouldn't laugh here.

Do criminals/terrorists in the USA know the law and don't break it because they know it? Are you an expert in philosophy of law as well as the known one in constitutional law?

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Now I really get a bit ... angered. You referred in your post as quoted by me, to 6 young men. Now, it's four. [And in 2007.]

Six instead of four error were cause by the fact my memory is not perfect and I do not google every secondary comment before posting it and I did not give a date in my first posting about the matter that I know of.

In fact it occur on July the 7 in 2005 not in 2007 for that matter.

By the way how does the fact that it were four young men instead of six affect the fact of the attack and the killings happening in guns free England by the used of home made explosives?

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@Walter Hinteler,

You was the one who brought up the issue that building bombs was illegal in the UK as if that would matter in any way to people that are willing to be suicide bombers!!!!!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You was the one who brought up the issue that building bombs was illegal in the UK as if that would matter in any way to people that are willing to be suicide bombers!!!!!!!!!!

Makes one wonder what his intentions are...

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You was the one who brought up the issue that building bombs was illegal in the UK as if that would matter in any way to people that are willing to be suicide bombers!!!!!!!!!!

Well, indeed, I mentioned it. As a response to your "gun free England".

But do me a favour and show any of my posts where I mentioned that breaking laws "matter[s] in any way to people that are willing to be suicide bombers".

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

BillRM wrote:

You was the one who brought up the issue that building bombs was illegal in the UK as if that would matter in any way to people that are willing to be suicide bombers!!!!!!!!!!

Makes one wonder what his intentions are...

Well, H2O, I certainly would like to discuss English/Welsh criminal law with you and Bill.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Well, indeed, I mentioned it. As a response to your "gun free England"

Why did you bring it up if you did not think that it would relate to the fact that even in countries with strict anti guns laws that most of the US anti-gun crowd can only dream of existing in the US that only a short visited to a drug store and a little research on the internet is needed to do large scale killings?

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@BillRM,

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Seem strange to go after the one element in society that give the citizens some protection against criminals who will not disarmed and from a government going bad.

We ban smoking in public places to help prevent deaths from secondary smoke.
Are you OK with banning guns in public places?

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@BillRM,

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Any drug store and any pool supply store you can buy the materials and even in gun free England six young men created bombs to killed their fellow citizens.

Let me know when someone has to create a gun to use it, then you would have a comparison.
Creating a bomb is not as easy as picking up a gun. Creating a bomb requires research, skill and some luck.

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@oralloy,

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True, but they can still kill easily enough to be just as successful.

If by "just as successful" you mean "less likely" then sure.

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That is incorrect. Other tools may be less effective, but they are still effective enough to result in the same number of killings overall.

Really? Then why are there fewer murders in the UK and Australia? Why are there fewer murders in NY than in TX?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, H2O, I certainly would like to discuss English/Welsh criminal law with you and Bill.

Why?

You know that English/Welsh criminal law has little to do with the current Gun Fight in Washington, DC.

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@parados,

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We ban smoking in public places to help prevent deaths from secondary smoke.
Are you OK with banning guns in public places?

Sorry but you can carry smoking material in public places all you care to you just can not smoke and like wise I can carry my guns into most public places but I can not shoot them except under very limited conditions in such public places.

In fact under florida law I can not even show any of my guns in a public place under most conditions.

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@H2O MAN,

You asked the initial question what my intentions were (as said, someone I knew was killed in 7/7).

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Remember when Hitler took over Germany? Poverty, high unemployment,
a national debt that was growing exponentially year after year, and class warfare.
Dolph promised the world to the German people, and they drank the Kool-Aid.

Sound familiar?

Many think Obama wants the guns off the street because he has plans to declare Marshal Law...
it will be easier for Obama to control people if they are NOT ARMED.

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@oralloy,

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Nonsense. All you need to make a grenade is a few boxes of matches and a length of pipe.

You mean there is no assembly required
You mean if I put matches in a pipe, it will explode exactly when I want it to and I don't have to do anything other than pull a simple trigger? So, 3 matches in a 3" diameter schedule 80 pipe 4' long open on both ends is a bomb that will kill over 20 people? How about 200 matches in the same pipe?

Pointing a gun and pulling a trigger is simple.
Building a bomb out of matches and a pipe requires several steps some of which can go wrong which will result in the bomb not working or in it blowing up on the person making it. Even you have to admit that oralloy.

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So? That does not change the fact that banning guns will not prevent spree shooters from switching to bombs.

Actually, it will because no one can build a bomb without some instruction. Most people trying to build one on their own will build one that doesn't work properly. We have some instances of spree killers also building bombs and the bombs never going off and killing anyone. Columbine and the Dark Night shooter both had "bombs" that never went off. Clearly bombs aren't as easy as guns because in both of those instances guns killed many and bombs killed none.

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@parados,

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Creating a bomb is not as easy as picking up a gun. Creating a bomb requires research, skill and some luck.

Nonsense anyone with average intelligent can created a bomb in fact as orally had pointed out you can created a bomb with match heads and a pipe that would be powerful enough to kill people.

The myth-busters fire a cannon ball many hundreds of yards using just match heads as a matter of fact.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Any drug store and any pool supply store you can buy the materials and even in gun free England six young men created bombs to killed their fellow citizens.

Let me know when someone has to create a gun to use it, then you would have a comparison.

The need to create the bomb does not prevent it from being used as a substitute for a gun in spree killings.

parados wrote:

Creating a bomb is not as easy as picking up a gun. Creating a bomb requires research, skill and some luck.

Just pour match heads into a pipe and stop up the ends. Stick a length of fuse in it and you're done.

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@H2O MAN,

You certainly do know, H2O, the gun laws in Germany during the Nazi regime, isn't it? Millions of legally owned, but unregistered firearms ...

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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True, but they can still kill easily enough to be just as successful.

If by "just as successful" you mean "less likely" then sure.

By "just as successful" I mean "just as likely".

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
That is incorrect. Other tools may be less effective, but they are still effective enough to result in the same number of killings overall.

Really? Then why are there fewer murders in the UK and Australia? Why are there fewer murders in NY than in TX?

Random fluctuations in statistics.

Possibly the difference could be due to poverty. Poverty leads to increased crime.

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