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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 07:37 am
@oralloy,
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Other tools may be less effective than a gun, but they are still effective enough that someone bent on murder can easily kill with them.


Or far far more if they turn to explosives to do mass killings.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 07:47 am
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:06 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

Other tools may be less effective than a gun, but they are still effective enough that someone bent on murder can easily kill with them.

They just can't kill as easily as with a gun. Nor is the attempt as likely to be successful.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:15 am
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:25 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Less effective tools don't kill as often simply because they are less effective.


Nonsense home make explosives even simple pipe bombs have a history of killing many more people then any single firearm attacker had done and even simple gasoline attacked had killed 87 people in NYC.

Nonsense right back at you Bill...
You have one instance of gasoline (87 deaths) and one instance of home made bomb (168 deaths) in the last 20 years. Meanwhile over 500,000 have been killed by guns in that same time frame.
Guns kill more than gasoline and bombs combined. Anyone that suggests otherwise is not living in reality.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:27 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Other tools may be less effective than a gun, but they are still effective enough that someone bent on murder can easily kill with them.


Or far far more if they turn to explosives to do mass killings.


Sure.... just keep telling yourself that Bill if it makes you feel better. Reality is different however. Explosives are not readily available in a form that can be picked up and used by anyone.

You don't find too many instances of 2-4 year olds accidentally bombing someone but many instances of them accidentally shooting someone.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:34 am
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:44 am
@parados,
Are we talking about mass murders or single murders the subject is not the same and as far as doing mass murders guns are hardly the best tool.

Next we had lost over 400,000 a year due to smoking and somewhere around 30,000 a year from secondary smoke so that would be in 20 years 8 millions and yet smoking is not ban and cars are not ban and we had learn our lesson already concerning a ban on alcohol that kill more then guns by far.

Seem strange to go after the one element in society that give the citizens some protection against criminals who will not disarmed and from a government going bad.

Also at the same time when the murder rate is at the bottom of the scale for the last 50 years and near the bottom of the scale for the last 100 years.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:46 am
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:48 am
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:51 am
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:52 am
@parados,
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explosives are not readily available in a form that can be picked up and used by anyone.


Any drug store and any pool supply store you can buy the materials and even in gun free England six young men created bombs to killed their fellow citizens.

Perhaps I should post the materials list here as it is freely available on the internet for anyone to google.

Hell the government itself cover the information of the materials needed to make home make explosives in order for employees of the stores where they are sold at can be on the lookout for buyers.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:53 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
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Yes. It is very important that no one comply with any government registration program.

The government has no business knowing who has what guns. All they do with that information is cause trouble with law-abiding gun owners.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 08:54 am
@oralloy,
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:01 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Other tools may be less effective than a gun, but they are still effective enough that someone bent on murder can easily kill with them.


They just can't kill as easily as with a gun.


True, but they can still kill easily enough to be just as successful.



parados wrote:
Nor is the attempt as likely to be successful.


That is incorrect. Other tools may be less effective, but they are still effective enough to result in the same number of killings overall.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:07 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
BillRM wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Other tools may be less effective than a gun, but they are still effective enough that someone bent on murder can easily kill with them.


Or far far more if they turn to explosives to do mass killings.


Sure.... just keep telling yourself that Bill if it makes you feel better. Reality is different however. Explosives are not readily available in a form that can be picked up and used by anyone.


Nonsense. All you need to make a grenade is a few boxes of matches and a length of pipe.



parados wrote:
You don't find too many instances of 2-4 year olds accidentally bombing someone but many instances of them accidentally shooting someone.


So? That does not change the fact that banning guns will not prevent spree shooters from switching to bombs.

But keeping guns safe around children is certainly a very good idea.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:19 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
and even in gun free England six young men created bombs to killed their fellow citizens.
Are you referring to the patrol bomb attack on a police car in Northern Ireland?

Oops, no, you weren't, since you explicitly wrote England.
May I ask to what incident you are referring?
(In England and Wales you can't legally create bombs to kill someone, be it a fellow citizen or anyone else. The relevant laws are: section 4 of the Explosive Substances Act 1883, Offences against the Person Act 1861, Criminal Damage Act 1971, Health and Safety Act 1974, and Fireworks Act 28003. And probably the Terrorism Act 2000 and Terrorism Act 2006, too.])
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Oops, no, you weren't, since you explicitly wrote England.
May I ask to what incident you are referring?


You kidding me you did not hear in the news of the four young men in the city of London who blow themselves and a great deal of others up in the tubes and on the buses only a few years ago? That would be big news in the EU or at least you would think so.

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England and Wales you can't legally create bombs to kill someone,


LOL maybe the suicide bombers did not know of this law and would not had been willing to break it if they had but known!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

The 7 July 2005 London bombings (often referred to as 7/7) were a series of co-ordinated suicide attacks in London which targeted civilians using the public transport system during the morning rush hour.
On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist home-grown terrorists detonated four bombs, three in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two civilians and the four bombers were killed in the attacks, and over 700 more were injured.
The explosions were caused by homemade organic peroxide–based devices packed into rucksacks. The bombings were followed exactly two weeks later by a series of attempted attacks.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:32 am
@oralloy,
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If you feel I've made an error in civics, what do you believe that error is?


Possibly that you are just a pawn playing for a sectional interest and one working against the national interest whether intentionally or not or knowingly or not.

I don't see any real economic value in 300m guns and I think a proper assessment of the economic cost would make your hair stand on end.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2013 09:41 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You kidding me you did not hear in the news of the four young men in the city of London who blow themselves and a great deal of others up in the tubes and on the buses only a few years ago? That would be big news in the EU or at least you would think so.
Now I really get a bit ... angered. You referred in your post as quoted by me, to 6 young men. Now, it's four. [And in 2007.]
 

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