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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 08:26 am
@parados,
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Maybe you should actually read the article and the numbers in the article.


I did and the murder rate is as low as it gets in any cycle over a hundred years period of time so where the hell is this crisis you are trying to sell?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 08:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
No it is not an overstatement in that in the last hundred years the murder rate had cycle between 10 and somewhere slightly below 5 and we are now at the below 5 point therefore in almost any time period in the last 100 years the rate had been higher then it is now.

So now where is this crisis you and the news media and others are tying to sell?

This kind of remind me of the rape culture and rape crisis that Firefly where trying to sell at the same time that the FBI hard numbers indicate that reported rapes where at a 33 years low.

The rape crisis sellers was so upset over the FBI data base that they force the added in of male on male rapes to get a one time boast of the numbers the hell with harming it ability to track tends over the decades.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 08:55 am
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 08:57 am
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 09:06 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242952)
No it is not an overstatement in that in the last hundred years the murder rate had cycle between 10 and somewhere slightly below 5 and we are now at the below 5 point therefore in almost any time period in the last 100 years the rate had been higher then it is now.

So now where is this crisis you and the news media and others are tying to sell?

This kind of remind me of the rape culture and rape crisis that Firefly where trying to sell at the same time that the FBI hard numbers indicate that reported rapes where at a 33 years low.

The rape crisis sellers was so upset over the FBI data base that they force the added in of male on male rapes to get a one time boast of the numbers the hell with harming it ability to track tends over the decades.


Your assertion was: “We are now at a hundred year low on our murder rate.”

The piece you posted in substantiation says that the rate per 100,000 in 2011 was 4.8.

It also says that the rate in 1963 was 4.6.

4.8 is higher than 4.6…and 1963 is not 100 years ago.

Your comment is INCORRECT! It is an OVERSTATEMENT.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 09:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
What to bet that 4.6 and 4.8 is well within the margin of error to begin with and second such silliness does in no way impacted the fact that the country now existing murder rate is at a hundred years low point where for almost the whole last hundred years if been higher to the point that it had reach more then double the value it is now. That the murder rate have not been this low for fifty years the last time the cycle had been this low.

Silly person as if the delta of .2 have any impacted on the the subject or that the bottom of the cycle 50 years ago might had been very very slightly lower then it is now.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 10:04 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242986)
What to bet that 4.6 and 4.8 is well within the margin of error to begin with and second such silliness does in no way impacted the fact that the country now existing murder rate is at a hundred years low point where for almost the whole last hundred years if been higher to the point that it had reach more then double the value it is now. That the murder rate have not been this low for fifty years the last time the cycle had been this low.

Silly person as if the delta of .2 have any impacted on the the subject or that the bottom of the cycle 50 years ago might had been very very slightly lower then it is now.


One: Tell me what the margin of error is...exactly, since apparently you know.

Two: No matter what...the information you gave to substantiate what you asserted...DOES NOT SUBSTANTIATE IT.

Three: I was correct when I said you overstated the info in the assertion.

Four: You apparently still do not have the strength of character to acknowledge when you are wrong.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 10:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
Would it help and matter if I stated that the murder rate had not been this low for 50 years and for most of the last 100 years the murder rate had been higher then it is now?

Silly person indeed.....................
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:00 am
@BillRM,


Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5243018)
Would it help and matter if I stated that the murder rate had not been this low for 50 years and for most of the last 100 years the murder rate had been higher then it is now?

Silly person indeed.....................


Allow me to take those two points in reverse order.

Quote:
Silly person indeed.........


Perhaps you are...and I understand you saying you are. But you will never hear that coming from me.

Quote:
Would it help and matter if I stated that the murder rate had not been this low for 50 years and for most of the last 100 years the murder rate had been higher then it is now?


Well that, technically, would be overstating the case also (do the math for the years shown).

But if you simply said what that piece said...that would be an improvement—and if you were to muster up the character to actually acknowledge you were wrong…that would be an improvement also.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:43 am
And its such a beautiful day out.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:55 am
@farmerman,
A bit cool here in New Jersey, but Nancy and I will have the wood-burning stove going while watching the Super Bowl.

Life is good.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 12:31 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Maybe you should actually read the article and the numbers in the article.


I did and the murder rate is as low as it gets in any cycle over a hundred years period of time so where the hell is this crisis you are trying to sell?

Low in a cycle is not the same thing as lowest in 100 years.

Now that we have established that hyperbole works fine in your arguments why do you question hyperbole in other's arguments?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 12:38 pm
@farmerman,
Agreed, but a little windy.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 01:56 pm

Federalization of State Militias:
Another Attack on Second Amendment
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 06:24 pm
@H2O MAN,
Sick fucks, aren't they, H20guy?

Boat Fired On - Bensalem, PA Police Do Nothing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=t0UBv1PF7qQ&NR=1
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:09 am


It's time for 'we the people' to go on offense.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:27 am
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:57 am
President Obama will pitch his gun control proposals to the public and the law enforcement community Monday, as he calls for a ban on assault weapons and seeks to install universal background checks for gun buyers.
Obama will attempt to rally support for his plan in Minnesota, a Democratic-leaning state where officials have been studying ways to reduce gun-related attacks and accidents for several years. His visit to the Minneapolis Police Department's Special Operations Center will mark the first time Obama has campaigned on his controversial proposals outside of Washington.
Two of the country’s most influential voices in the gun control debate weighed in Sunday on the issue, but appeared no closer in reaching a compromise -- even on the issue of universal background checks.
Wayne LaPierre, the National Rifle Association’s chief executive, told “Fox News Sunday” his group has tried unsuccessfully for such a check for two decades.
“I’ve been in this fight for 20 years. We proposed it. I don’t think it’s going to happen,” said LaPierre, who argued the mental health lobby and federal laws have prevented the names of people with potentially dangerous mental health problems from being put into a federal database.
He also said that "criminals won't comply."
LaPierre was skeptical about whether the Obama administration would take the gun-control legislation, if passed, a step farther.
"I think what they'll do is they'll turn this universal (background) check on the law-abiding into a universal registry on law-abiding people," he said. "ObamaCare wasn't a tax until they needed it to be a tax. I don't think you can trust these people."
Retired Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, whose wife former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head by an emotionally disturbed gunman, argued for the background check. He told Fox that Giffords, a Democrat, and others might have been spared in the 2011 mass shooting in Tucson had the state entered the shooter’s name into a database.
The argument came nearly seven weeks after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults inside a Connecticut elementary school and five days after the first Senate hearing on the issue, following the Dec. 14 mass shooting.
Kelly also said he supports tightened background checks at gun shows and proposals by President Obama and fellow Democrats in the Senate to ban high-capacity magazines.
However, he would not fully commit to backing an automatic-weapons ban, which at this point does not appear to have enough widespread support to become law.
Kelly said semi-automatic weapons are “just too dangerous to be on the streets” for criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill.
“Gabby and I know this is going to be a hard problem to solve,” said Kelly, who also pointed out he served in the Middle East with such weapons.
"I don't think you'll find a stronger supporter of the Second Amendment than me," he said. "I fought for it."
The reinstatement of the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004, is expected to be the steepest climb for Obama. Universal background checks for gun purchasers may have an easier time passing Congress, though the NRA also opposes that measure.
The White House picked Minneapolis as the backdrop for Obama's remarks in part because of recent steps the city has taken to tackle gun violence, including a push for stricter background checks.
After a spike in violent crimes, the city launched a program in 2008 aimed at providing more resources for at-risk youth and helping rehabilitate young people who have already perpetrated crimes. In January, Minneapolis also hosted a regional summit on gun violence for elected officials from around the Midwest.
Minneapolis Police Chief Janee Harteau and Hennepin County Sheriff Richard Stanek are also among the officials Obama has consulted as he pursues his anti-gun violence measures.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 11:47 am


NRA membership has its privileges
parados
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 11:50 am
@H2O MAN,


What?
Access to mental health care?
 

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