The solution to gun violence is more guns. Right?

@Val Killmore,

Val Killmore wrote:

Because we have guns, it is one of the reasons why we are a free democracy. Our beliefs along with or gun rights makes us free! You are an immigrant, and just cannot understand it!

Horseshit! I've never advocated abrogating the 2d Amendment rights that we, as US citizens, have. You haven't been paying attention, Val.

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Freedom is a dangerous thing. The easiest and laziest way to combat that danger is to curb those freedoms. That is even more dangerous. We may feel a little safer from crazies if we were able to remove guns from society, but would we truly be safer? Of the freedoms we have, I consider freedom of speech to be, perhaps, our most dangerous right, but these freedoms must be guarded and treasured. This is not a comical issue, as you made this thread to be.

I suggest you learn how to read and comprehend what you have read. This thread is not about gun control. Nowhere have I recommended that guns be taken away from gun-owners (I'm one myself). The comical issue isn'tgun-control. The comical issue is clowns like you and Oralloy and Waterboy insisting that the way to stop people from shooting each other is to give them more weapons. You guys make my day every time you post one of your hilarious diatribes.

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The gun dealers are loving the panic guys like you, Lustig, cause by making forums like this, you are contributing to the fear of control which only drives up prices and demand of guns in America. Keep it up.

Oh, you're absolutely right on that score -- the gun dealers love the people who panic. And the people who panic are the potential gun owners who hear te words "gun control" and run out to buy more guns before they're banned. This is mindless panic. There is no danger whatever that any significant new gun-control laws will be passed as a result of this, or any other, massacre. The NRA is far too powerful a lobby to allow that. The only true panic I see is among the gun advocates, not the gun-control people. And this panic is as funny as everything else you guys do. I will say this one more time: there is absolutely no danger of your rights to own firearms being somehow taken away by Federal fiat in the foreseeable future. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Live with it.

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@oralloy,

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That exchange way back in middle of the shooting thread where you complained about not seeing my evidence (even though I had posted it in the thread hundreds of times), and I responded by politely responded by providing the evidence directly to you, and you then responded by not even trying to address the evidence, but rather only by spewing lies about me, says otherwise.

This never happened, H2O.

I did, at one point, ask you to answer some questions that you had avoided (I think they came from JoeFromChicago)...and you had never responded to them. I am not sure who was involved with you in the "lemme see your evidence" thing, but it was not I.

As for you "politely responding"....I would have to see that. Many of your responses are far from "polite", but I would have to actually read the posting to see if you actually were polite to whomever you actually were addressing.

Lastly, I NEVER spewed lies about you. I do not do that. You obviously are mixing me up with someone else.

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@Frank Apisa,

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

The comical issue is clowns like you and Oralloy and Waterboy insisting that the way to stop people from shooting each other is to give them more weapons.

I think you need to distinguish "bad guys" from "good guys" here.

We're only trying to prevent the good guys from being shot.

If the issue is preventing anyone from being shot, with no distinction between good guys and bad guys, the first step should be completely disarming the police.

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@Frank Apisa,

Now look. Remember that laziness thing I said I was afflicted with? You and your lies are starting to take up more of my time than you're worth.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

We're only trying to prevent the good guys from being shot.

If the issue is preventing anyone from being shot, with no distinction between good guys and bad guys, the first step should be completely disarming the police.

That, my dear Oralloy, is sophistry of the first order.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

oralloy wrote:
We're only trying to prevent the good guys from being shot.

If the issue is preventing anyone from being shot, with no distinction between good guys and bad guys, the first step should be completely disarming the police.

That, my dear Oralloy, is sophistry of the first order.

How so?

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@oralloy,

If you don't understand why, you need a remedial course in verbal logic.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

If you don't understand why, you need a remedial course in verbal logic.

Meh. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine.

House Democrats have abandoned all plans to ban assault weapons. There may or may not be a ban on high capacity magazines at the end of all this. But there will never be a ban on assault weapons.

And we are within a couple years of the US Supreme Court ruling that Americans have the right to carry handguns when they go about in public, even in our largest cities.

I'm gonna go enjoy Xmas!

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@Lustig Andrei,

The odds of being in a classroom where a student is carrying a gun is a million to one. And the odds of being in a classroom where two students are carrying guns is a million times a million to one. So to be safe, always carry a gun to class.

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@joefromchicago,

Good advice, joe. Thank you. Next time I'm in school I'll remember that.

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@Region Philbis,

Region Philbis wrote:

Excellent! We didn't punish or outlaw the product. We severely punished its misuse.

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@joefromchicago,

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@oralloy,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5205762)

Now look. Remember that laziness thing I said I was afflicted with? You and your lies are starting to take up more of my time than you're worth.

Yeah...and I noticed that you have called many people "liar" in the threads.

You may have a problem of which you are unaware!

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@Region Philbis,

Bingo, Region.

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@roger,

I agree with you roger.
Just as we don't blame cars for drunk driving, it shouldn't be that we should blame guns for violent or mentally ill people.

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@oralloy,

Another typical brain dead response. Leaving aside that policemen get shot on a regular basis, the police spend their days expecting to have to deal with violence, and prepared and trained for it. An armed guard in a school could spend an entire career and never encounter a threat from an armed man. Like a military "sneak attack," the shooter is the only who knows where and when the incident will take place. Knowing what he intends, he just needs to take out the guard, and he's free to proceed to the slaughter. Police officers proceed every day on the assupmtion that they may need to meet and deal with deadly force--and they still get shot. You live in some sick, twisted dream world, and it makes my flesh crawl to contemplage the bizarre fantasies you entertain.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Yeah...and I noticed that you have called many people "liar" in the threads.

It's a cost-effective way of responding to someone who lies all the time.

Frank Apisa wrote:

You may have a problem of which you are unaware!

No problem that can't be solved by calling you a liar.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Another typical brain dead response.

If "more guns" is the wrong answer, then it would seem that disarming the police would be the first order of business.

Setanta wrote:

Leaving aside that policemen get shot on a regular basis, the police spend their days expecting to have to deal with violence, and prepared and trained for it. An armed guard in a school could spend an entire career and never encounter a threat from an armed man. Like a military "sneak attack," the shooter is the only who knows where and when the incident will take place. Knowing what he intends, he just needs to take out the guard, and he's free to proceed to the slaughter. Police officers proceed every day on the assupmtion that they may need to meet and deal with deadly force--and they still get shot.

So no defense is perfect. That doesn't mean that no defense should ever be attempted.

Trying something is certainly better than just letting children be slaughtered without doing anything.

Setanta wrote:

You live in some sick, twisted dream world

No. I live in the real world.

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