How can something come from nothing?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Nice try, but no cupie doll; try to post the entire post. You do understand how one statement out of context works, don't you? Maybe not; that would expect too much from ignoramuses like you.

I became ignoramus when I started communicating with people like you and FM ... inevitable risks of the net.
Do you have anything to add on the theme, which was 'Can something come from nothing' (like for example can 3D space, as we know it, come out of non-existing space-time 'gravitational continuum')? ... and what does the answer to that question have to do with me?

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@Herald,

You're again attempting to ask dumb questions. You never learn, do you?
I've posted my .02c worth of opinions on this forum. Not my problem you haven't been able to comprehend what I posted.

Asking more stupid questions will get you nowhere. THAT'S A FACT. Try to digest that if that's at all possible.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Asking more stupid questions will get you nowhere.

O.K., no problems, for I can make an analysis of the observations and the circumstances.
     1. When somebody cannot answer the questions in a discussion his position inevitably becomes weaker ... and fades out to the absolute nothingness with the time.
     2. There is no question that cannot be answered - 'I don't know' is absolutely valid answer to questions of which we don't know the answer.
     3. Another possible reason is that answering the question might be used as an evidence that the previously taken position is invalid.
     4. Revealing an inability to answer a question (without using ad hom) might reveal gaps in knowledge and personal problems.
     5. There are cases in which someone's ego might depend on whether their position is superior or inferior to the claims of the opponent.
     6. Providing genuine answers to some questions might demand from some people to have to acknowledge that they and their fake beliefs and 'scientific' theories aren't so superior after all.

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@Herald,

You're trying to ask questions that are still human mysteries, and even scientists themselves are struggling for answers. Many are still theories to be proven with supporting evidence/facts.

When you ask stupid questions that are still mysteries to man, it proves that your understanding of science is nill.

All of your religious beliefs are based on FAITH and emotion; not science.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're trying to ask questions that are still human mysteries

At first you said that I am asking 'dumb' questions. If a question is valid (on the topic, on the issue, and in relation to the discussion, and could be answered) what difference does it make whether it is 'dumb' or 'smart'? Can you quote exactly which one of the questions is 'dumb' ... and why?
In the last quote you are claiming that these things are 'human mysteries' (whatever this might mean) 'and even scientists themselves are struggling for answers.'
This is the subject of science: to 'struggle' for answers ... what do you have in mind by that 'even'.

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@Herald,

No, you're missing the whole point. Asking questions that you should know has no answer are dumb.

Show me god? Dumb.
Show me nothing? Dumb.
Show me what there was before earth's life forms? Dumb.
Prove there are life forms beyond our planet? Dumb.

CLUE: Struggling for answers is what science attempts to do. When no scientific answer is available, asking for answers is DUMB. It's not available now, so why are you asking for it? DUMB and DUMBER.

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@ripple,

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If something "happened" then something must have made this happen. This something can by definition not be nothing. So how can something come from nothing (for example the creation of the universe)?

Your 'dilemma' here comes from an un-examined conclusion which you've long since made and employed as valid.

I'm going to breakdown your question into parts, we'll start from the beginning:

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If something "happened" then something must have made this happen.

This is a conclusion that you haven't necessarily made, but are still clearly employing it as some 'thing' 'valid'.

It is merely an assumption that 'things' or 'events' are the cause of other events or things. The trouble here is that it is an assumption which is very easy to get other people to agree with. I has been agreed with so much and for so long that it is now passed off as a 'fact' and few people even dare to question it.

Asking your initial question could be a good thing however, as it may be a sign that you are starting to see through certain 'things'. Either that or you're just trying to 'prove' to people that you're a 'thinker'.

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This something can by definition not be nothing.

There was no 'thing' to begin with. Things or events do not cause other events or things. Life is one big event. Live it up.

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So how can something come from nothing (for example the creation of the universe)?

Alan Watts said: "To ask why is an unprofitable question. The more important thing is not why, but what, what happens?"

'Something' and 'nothing' are both concepts, they're ideas. Nothing more, nothing less. Your question is nothing but mind-play.

Also, as I've said before, your question comes from a pre-existing conclusion. You really want answers? Start thinking through and questioning all of your pre-conceived notions and conclusions.

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@JPLosman0711,

You wrote,

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I has been agreed with so much and for so long ....

LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

Thanks for reminding me that you're not here to actually learn something.

The only reason you log on here is to get others to agree with your own pre-existing conclusions.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

Thanks for reminding me that you're not here to actually learn something.

The only reason you log on here is to get others to agree with your own pre-existing conclusions.

Any chance at all...that is what you are doing, JP.

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@JPLosman0711,

Don't you comprehend English? I already stated that I don't care whether people agree with my opinions or not. Why are you so concerned about what other people think of my opinions? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Any chance at all...that is what you are doing, JP.

If that's what I was after I would merely come on here and make posts like 100% of the people on here. Full of explanations (concepts) that I already know people will accept.

Besides, if that is what I'm trying to do I am failing miserably! LOL

Just in case you're actually interested in why I'm here (long odds) - I'm here for the slim chance that someone might actually 'hear' what I have to say and indicate. I still hold the 'belief' this is possible despite the nasty responses I receive.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Don't you comprehend English? I already stated that I don't care whether people agree with my opinions or not. Why are you so concerned about what other people think of my opinions? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Thanks for making sure I think that you don't care what people think.

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@JPLosman0711,

Boy, you're dumb! Keep repeating yourself.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Boy, you're dumb! Keep repeating yourself.

The old adage: "It takes one to know one" is true!

You couldn't find 'dumbness' in me without it first existing within you.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

No, you're missing the whole point. Asking questions that you should know has no answer are dumb.

No, you are missing the point. I always ask questions that I suspect that they might have no straightforward answer and sometimes I ask questions that I may know some part of the answer in advance. It might be interesting to see how you will answer such questions. Dumb and non-dumb is a classification of the question - it is not a valid answer, for such 'answer' is irrelevant to the discussion and to the theme and has as an objective to glorify 'the educator' and to humiliate the opponent ... notwithstanding that sometimes such an approach might achieve exactly the opposite effect.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Show me god? Dumb.

This is not my question - can you quote the number of the post (where 'I am saying this')

cicerone imposter wrote:

Show me nothing? Dumb.

Where I am asking that?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Show me what there was before earth's life forms? Dumb.

O.K. This question was mine ... although it is much distorted (as a question).
Yes, I asked you: Can you give an example of some matter, some particles, some interstellar substance or whatever that has remained right here, on this very place, where the SS is nowadays. If there is something remained at nano-particles level - it must be everywhere. You would be able to take a sample in front of your house if you like ... and if you understand at all what that question means.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Prove there are life forms beyond our planet? Dumb.

I didn't ask exactly that and exactly in this way - but yes, the semantics is partially overlapping. If life is stochastic, and if it has appeared on the Earth as a result of stochastic processes it should fulfill some of the functions of stochastic distribution - in other words it should be able to be found on other places throughout the universe as well.
As you are so smart (as you present yourself to be) can you give an example of a stochastic distribution function comprising a point (the life on Earth) only?

cicerone imposter wrote:

CLUE: Struggling for answers is what science attempts to do. When no scientific answer is available, asking for answers is DUMB.

... and who decides which answer is scientific and which is 'non-scientific' ... and how have you come to know that the Big Bang 'theory' and the Evolution 'theory' ... and the Eugenics practices are 'scientific answers'?

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

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Any chance at all...that is what you are doing, JP.

If that's what I was after I would merely come on here and make posts like 100% of the people on here. Full of explanations (concepts) that I already know people will accept.

Besides, if that is what I'm trying to do I am failing miserably! LOL

Actually...you are failing miserably.

Does that mean you are answering my question with a "YES?"

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Just in case you're actually interested in why I'm here (long odds) - I'm here for the slim chance that someone might actually 'hear' what I have to say and indicate. I still hold the 'belief' this is possible despite the nasty responses I receive.

Ahhh!

I never would have guessed that...considering the way you have conducted yourself up 'til now.

But...if you want to continue down this path...you will provide some entertainment.

(We sure have gotten our fair share of messianic wannabe's lately.)

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@JPLosman0711,

You wrote,

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The old adage: "It takes one to know one" is true!

You really are dumb! Your old adage is 'full of shyt!' What you need to prove is not from adages, but from showing/proving why any of my posts are untrue, not based on common sense, logic, facts or evidence.

You wouldn't understand any of that, because you've already damaged your learning skills.

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@Frank Apisa,

You sir are evidence that age does not necessarily come with wisdom.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

You sir are evidence that age does not necessarily come with wisdom.

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