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How can something come from nothing?

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 05:57 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I agree. It was funny. But he should have put "nobody" with a Capital N.
My name is Nobody, not nobody. Everybody knows that.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 07:19 pm
@JLNobody,
Fair ! Wink
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 10:42 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I hope you find it soon.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 10:45 pm
@JLNobody,
Are you saying that Everybody knows nobody should be spelled Nobody?
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 10:55 pm
@neologist,
They should.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 11:17 pm
@JLNobody,
Well, I know it now for sure.
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VicVoss
 
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Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2013 05:29 pm
@ripple,
asking that is like asking how the big bang happend when nothing should actually exist since if you believe in that since it happend from nothing
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 21 Aug, 2013 01:53 pm
@VicVoss,
The big bang is the one Adam gave Eve. (for those of a sensitive disposition I mean that metaphorically).
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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 21 Aug, 2013 02:46 pm
@ripple,
ripple wrote:
So how can something come from nothing (for example the creation of the universe)?

The answer is: without-any-problems.
The whole theory of the big bang with the expanding universe that is accelerating is unjustified from the very beginning to wherever it goes. It is based on the assumption that the red shift in the light spectrum is due to Doppler effect of light.
The new theories in physics claim that the particles are increasing in mass nowadays (blue shift) and this red shift observed in the distant past of the universe is the natural standing onto that moment.
Nothing has been created by the big bang, and most probably the universe has always existed or at least so far away back in time that the information about this is irretrievably lost (or at least most of it).
The big bang apologetics does not have any reasonable explanation of the evolution of the stars and of the evolution of the species.
Let me ask you something: If I leave my laptop without OS on the grub to meet the impact of the fluctuations in the power supply of the grid, the stochastic pulses from thunderstorms induced in the net cable, the random errors on the hard disk ... what is the probability for the big bang to assemble a full-featured OS in brilliant operation standing? For that is exactly what the big bang apologetics is claiming. They put all the contraductions that they may encounter throughout the explanation of their fake theory into the definition of the terms (any of which more exotic and incomprihensible) - gravitational singularity, membrane universe, time-space continuum - as a result of which the theory becomes hunky dory (without any verification and validation tests).
So making something out of nothing is not only possible ... but it is the formula of success.
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RW Standing
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 02:38 am
@ripple,
The answer is not so difficult. If the universe was created by "God" it must be asked how was God created. If he was not created, and did not arise out of absolute "nothingness" then he must exist as a matter of nature without prior cause. In that case we might employ Okhams razor and simply suggest the universe exists as of nature with no prior cause. If time is part of our existence then the beginning of time and the universe has nothing prior to it. Unless we get into a dreadful fix by suggesting an infinity of cause and effect with no beginning. Buddhism etc ,,,,,,!
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 06:03 am
@RW Standing,
Offered without a shred of supporting evidence:
Perhaps the universe has always existed and is aware.
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 06:27 am
@RW Standing,
RW Standing wrote:
The answer is not so difficult. If the universe was created by "God" it must be asked how was God created.

IMV the question is not this, but rather what part of the universe has always existed, what is the contribution (if any) of the big bang to the present standing ... and what is a result of ID (it doesn't matter whether God or some other ILF)?
If somebody is watching us from the other side of the Galaxy, for example, he may claim that the lights of the Christmas Tree are 'obviously' created by the big bang.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 11:12 pm
As far as I can tell (provisionally of course) this conundrum results from the fact that we believe our inventions, the constructs "something" and "nothing" have metaphysical reality.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 08:22 am
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

As far as I can tell (provisionally of course) this conundrum results from the fact that we believe our inventions, the constructs "something" and "nothing" have metaphysical reality.


You should stay away from all that "believing" (in either direction)...and the problem may resolve itself in different ways.

Calling the "beliefs" blind guesses makes the problem easier to handle.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 12:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
As you know, Frank, for me "guesswork" refers to making a choice between options, e.g., there is or there is not a God, I will or will not live beyond the age of 90, etc. etc., but it does not apply to every possible theoretical problem--some are too fantastical to offer reasonable options. Is that just my guess?

Merry Xmas.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 12:20 pm
@neologist,
Neologist, when I was faced with the question of whether or not the Universe is conscious, I concluded--tentatively, of course--that we are part of the Universe (or expressions of it) and we are conscious (much of the time).
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 12:42 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

As you know, Frank, for me "guesswork" refers to making a choice between options, e.g., there is or there is not a God, I will or will not live beyond the age of 90, etc. etc., but it does not apply to every possible theoretical problem--some are too fantastical to offer reasonable options. Is that just my guess?

Merry Xmas.


I agree that some possible answers to question are too fantastical.

But when the question is "What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence?"...

...almost anything you come up with is a blind guess.

Merry Christmas back atcha, JL. Hope 2014 is a great year for you and yours.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 10:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Thanks.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 10:35 am
Quote:
Ripple asked: how can something come from nothing (for example the creation of the universe)?

Beats me mate..Smile
For example did this typical atom just decide to pop into existence out of nowhere?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/atom-classic_zpsc236b502.jpg~original

And then did it and other atoms just decide to form themselves into creatures as beautiful as this, all by random chance?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/maid_2_zps2d58f5b4.gif~original
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:16 am
Romeo:
so you're suggesting that there's some being we can't see or demonstrate the existence of, who somehow created 500BILLION galaxies, each with about 300 billion stars, probably with about a fifth of them with planets, and created the quadrillions and quintillions and higher powers than that of atoms in each of those stars and planets and things on those planets, and then created the huge numbers of subatomic particles in each atom, and then created and designed all the higher-order things, the DNA with millions of moleulces in each cell of life and the organization of it, about half of which is needed simply to create cells and aggregate them, let alone develop more complex life-forms. That there's a life form with the capacity to do all that, plus the ability to design it from nothingness and somehow pull somethingness out of the nothingness up his sleeve. is far more unlikely to me than the somethingness already being there and simply doing whatever physics and chemistry let it do over billions of years. Let's see, at the rate of one higgs boson a second, how long would he have had to work to make the universe>
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