Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea- Bush or Kerry?

I'm watching Rumsfeld testifying right now and from his own lips saying they couldn't have formed a coalition or gone after Bin Laden or the Taliban in Afghanistan militarily pre 9/11 because no would world wide would have supported it.

This is pretty much exactly what the Clinton people said, and yet the right wing, weakened hip armchair quarterbacks rip Clinton for it.

Reasonable when Rummy says it though right?

Here's a link to a Slate article. (Slate is no conservative outlet.)

John Kerry's Waffles

Or how about this one.

Nice job, Windtamer. But as you've noticed by now, some people will believe what they want to believe, even in the face of evidence to the contrary!

Au contraire! The evidence on these pages shows otherwise!
Good one though.

Really? Can you show me some of the "facts" liberals have shared here? Care to do a comparison within the political boards as to how often conseravtive opinions are shared with factual citations from reputable sources as compared with how often liberals meet a similar standard?

Take your time. I'll wait...

Scrat wrote:

Here's a link to a Slate article. (Slate is no conservative outlet.)

John Kerry's Waffles

Windtamer wrote:

Or how about this one.

So here we have an outline of a bunch of Kerry flip-flops, and a bunch of Bush flip-flops. (And tho the other copy/paste Windtamer offered was from a board, we've all read enough real news stories to see that there really is a bunch of further arguable flip-flops in there as well.)

So what was the difference again? What makes Kerry the perennial waffler while Bush is supposed to be seen as a steadfast steerman?

A propos "deeply held beliefs", I personally find it ironic that the Bush team is simultaneously trying to slam Kerry as a flip-flopper and as a through-and-through liberal. Of all Congressmen, Kerry's got the highest or second highest rating from liberal pressure groups, they say (ACLU, was it?). He almost always voted with Ted Kennedy, they point out - hell, if anything, he's to the left of Ted Kennedy, they say.

OK, so what is it? If he's a through-and-through liberal, to the left of Ted, then apparently he does have some deeply-held core beliefs. How is that circle supposed to be squared?

This is something the conservative posters here will get into trouble about. Right now the waffler thing is the main line of attack. Once the Bush team starts attacking Kerry for being Dukakis II, the ultimate Mass. liberal, they'll have some trouble flip-flopping the line of attack themselves.

nimh - You're a decent sort, but you have a tendency of claiming that simple tasks are difficult. It is not "rocket surgery" :wink: to read through a few discussions in the Politics category and count (Gads! He wants her to count! The scoundrel!) how often liberals support their claims with citations from reputable sources and compare that to a count of the times conservatives do so.

Use your brain man. I'm pretty much sick of this topic so I'm just going to end it like this. Lets just say Kerry really is a waffler. Well I'm pretty much convinced that Bush is a waffler too. So Kerry's just a waffler and Bush is a waffler and a hypocrite. To me, its a no brainer which one is worse. God Bless your Sean Insanity befuddled brains.

Windtamer wrote:

Use your brain man. I'm pretty much sick of this topic so I'm just going to end it like this. Lets just say Kerry really is a waffler. Well I'm pretty much convinced that Bush is a waffler too. So Kerry's just a waffler and Bush is a waffler and a hypocrite. To me, its a no brainer which one is worse. God Bless your Sean Insanity befuddled brains.

I dont know what you're yelling at me for. I was basically agreeing with you. If you can't concentrate enough to see that, dont blame my "befuddled brains".

Now, having cited Slate myself regarding Kerry's flip-flops, I certainly have to accept that source on Bush's, so sure, that one I can accept.

But whatever is your point? That Bush has changed his mind or shifted positions on occasion? Who hasn't? If you read and digested my comments about Kerry, you'd realize that this point is really no point at all... at least to me.

Here's what I wrote to you just a bit ago...
Scrat wrote:
For me the issue ... isn't just a matter of being on the wrong side of the issues or trying to lie about which side he is on to pander to this or that group, it's a fundamental willingness to use any issue to his advantage, regardless of facts and without any semblance of integrity.

Now, if you really want to show me something, offer me examples of Kerry having some core beliefs from which he doesn't deviate. That's what I find lacking in the man.

nimh - You're a decent sort, but you have a tendency of claiming that simple tasks are difficult. It is not "rocket surgery" to read through a few discussions in the Politics category and count (Gads! He wants her to count! The scoundrel!) how often liberals support their claims with citations from reputable sources and compare that to a count of the times conservatives do so.