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Should "need" here be "needs"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 02:28 pm
@contrex,
Until my right to be offensive has been reaffirmed I will continue to be offensive on purpose, with purpose. Some things are more important than your comfort.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 02:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're waiting for reaffirmation for your right to be a dick from whom, exactly?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 03:45 pm
@InfraBlue,
The pc police...not being offensive must be a choice, not a mandate which is policed. Democracy does not work with out free speech, my exercise of my right to offend is infinently more important than is anyones desire for tranquility and charm.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 07:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
The pc police would not consider for a second the impossible task of trying to change you from your abiding dicktitude.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 07:28 pm
@roger,
Quote:
Are you trying to determine an answer by counting google hits?


Was this blatant dishonesty, Roger? You even replied directly to this posting.

Quote:
error...

"need not suffer " means suffering is not required

"needs to not suffer" means that suffering is not wanted.

apples and oranges my friend.


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oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 11:37 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
That is the sense in which He pays our debt,
and suffers for us what He Himself need not suffer
at all.'


Third person present tense verbs, with both semi-modal and lexical verbs, inflect with an 's'.

He likes/she wants/it needs/she runs/he walks/it jumps/...

When we negate the third person present verb, Ori, do we still inflect the verbs?

He doesn't needs/she doesn't likes/it doesn't rains


Excellent!

The form "He Himself need not suffer" has put a great emphasis on the non-necessity of Himself's suffering. It removes "does" from "He Himself (does) need not suffer" and makes it sound better. Am I on the right track?


McTag
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 02:19 am

Some of the answers on this thread are crap. And I've not read them all. I lost the will after the first few.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 02:32 am
@McTag,
You should have gotten here sooner.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 12:40 pm
@roger,
It's beginning to look like it was dishonesty, Roger. Why would you do that? Hawkeye explained his reasoning and you veer off on a tangent.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 11:18 pm
@roger,
Actually "need" is correct. Needs has a different meaning, and is usually used in such phrases as "needs assessment" or "needs and wants."
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2012 11:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
next you will be informing us that Obama won the election ...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2012 12:14 am
@hawkeye10,
No, I won't! You're too stupid to even suggest such a thing.
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laughoutlood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2012 01:48 am
@roger,
roger i feel your response was so tangential, so palpable , i could almost touch it, you deserve every red ribbon you don't get
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2012 08:23 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
The form "He Himself need not suffer" has put a great emphasis on the non-necessity of Himself's suffering. It removes "does" from "He Himself (does) need not suffer" and makes it sound better. Am I on the right track?


I don't know if it's so much a matter of emphasis as it is a matter of formality, Ori.

This is a collocation that sees more use in the written registers. In speech the most common is with 'do' inserted - He himself doesn't need to suffer
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2012 02:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Needs has a different meaning, and is usually used in such phrases as "needs assessment" or "needs and wants."


That 'needs', at least the one in your 2nd example, is a different part of speech than the one presently under discussion, CI. In other words, it's not relevant.

Your first example could be either.

I think that this is what Hawkeye had in mind. You didn't seem to understand that either.
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