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Israel Under Attack: Does Anyone Care?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2013 10:51 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You said the UN was responsible for the blockade? Why did they attack Egypt?


The UN did not attack Egypt; they were there as Peacekeepers. See the following from Wikipedia.


Good luck trying to explain basic reality to a 'tard like CI.
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extrafriendlyfire
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 01:09 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Good. Can America finally get back to the community of nations and let Israel fend for itself?

Would you prefer that the United States just abstain from any further votes in the United Nations that have to do with any Israeli or Middle East issues?

Would the Israelis?


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290563


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290563

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I would certainly prefer UN silence over their usual injustice when it comes to Israel. If you can get Syria to "fend for itself" then let's talk about Israel fending for itself to which you'll find a great American Ally, an ally from which Americans get a lot of benefit from.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 02:04 pm
@extrafriendlyfire,
extrafriendlyfire wrote:

Good. Can America finally get back to the community of nations and let Israel fend for itself?

Would you prefer that the United States just abstain from any further votes in the United Nations that have to do with any Israeli or Middle East issues?

Would the Israelis?


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290563


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290563

____________________________________

I would certainly prefer UN silence over their usual injustice when it comes to Israel. If you can get Syria to "fend for itself" then let's talk about Israel fending for itself to which you'll find a great American Ally, an ally from which Americans get a lot of benefit from.


Was that a "yes" or "no" to the first question?

Was that a "yes" or "no" to the second question?

Was that a "yes" or "no" to the third question?



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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 02:33 pm
@extrafriendlyfire,
extrafriendlyfire wrote:


Yay!
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extrafriendlyfire
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2013 03:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"Next you will be calling me an anti-Semite, Advocate."


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290594


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290594

Gosh Frank, nice way to get ahead of that one.

"I am not anti-Jew; anti-Semite; or anti-Israel..and most assuredly I am not praying for the destruction of Israel. I am trying to get across to someone who is exhibiting a stone head on the issue...that the creation of Israel in that area IS the primary reason for the discord there"

That's true but not for the reasons you think, Israel and Egypt are probably the only two countries that are also nations. The rest are at best tribal nightmares and typically minority ruled tribal nightmares that try to justify their existence either under a pan-Arabist sensibility or pan-Islamic one both of which subscribe to a local variation of manifest destiny. Kurdistan might be the second nation to form in the post colonial middle east and the region has no more tolerance to that than to a free Israel. Israel is an advanced, multicultural, post industrial democracy and the region need to not only accept it but embrace what it stands for and lot of people will stop dying when that progress is made.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jun, 2013 04:24 am
@extrafriendlyfire,
extrafriendlyfire wrote:

"Next you will be calling me an anti-Semite, Advocate."


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290594


URL: http://able2know.org/reply/post-5290594

Gosh Frank, nice way to get ahead of that one.

"I am not anti-Jew; anti-Semite; or anti-Israel..and most assuredly I am not praying for the destruction of Israel. I am trying to get across to someone who is exhibiting a stone head on the issue...that the creation of Israel in that area IS the primary reason for the discord there"

That's true but not for the reasons you think, Israel and Egypt are probably the only two countries that are also nations. The rest are at best tribal nightmares and typically minority ruled tribal nightmares that try to justify their existence either under a pan-Arabist sensibility or pan-Islamic one both of which subscribe to a local variation of manifest destiny. Kurdistan might be the second nation to form in the post colonial middle east and the region has no more tolerance to that than to a free Israel. Israel is an advanced, multicultural, post industrial democracy and the region need to not only accept it but embrace what it stands for and lot of people will stop dying when that progress is made.


Not sure what in Hell you are saying here, but it sounds a lot as though you were suggesting that some people involved in the problems in that area are subhuman because they are not a nation.

What do you suggest for them...what is your final solution for these people you see as little more than constant trouble makers?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Aug, 2013 01:11 pm
Here's the latest news from Israel. Their government just increased funding for settlements in the West Bank.

They don't want any kind of peace with the Palestinians; just tactics that they think will slow down the missiles from the Gaza strip.

Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 7 Aug, 2013 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Maybe the additional funding for settlements will encourage the Pals to reach a reasonable settlement with Israel. In the past, the Pals always insist on a so-calleld right of return for all Pals, not just the ones who deserted their new country in 1948.

BTW, the invading ;Arab armies in 1948 told the Pals living in Israel that should leave their homes, and that they could return in two weeks after Israel was destroyed and could then take; over the Jewish properties and have their way with the Jewish women. Unlucky for them, the loyal Israelis had an amazing victory and rightfully denied any return for the traitors who abandoned Israel.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Aug, 2013 07:43 pm
@Advocate,
Not really; the message is clear that the Jews are hell-bent on expanding their settlements no matter what they say about "peace."

Any five year old would know what's going on.

Even kids understand that actions speak louder than words.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 10:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The Israelis have every right to expand their settlements. The Pals don't own the settlement land, and never even lived on it. Moreover, by constantly attacking Israel and its people, especially innocent civilians, they constructively abandoned exclusive claims to the West Bank.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 01:49 pm
@Advocate,
Palestinians don't have any LEGAL RIGHTS in Israel. That's not a DEMOCRACY by any standard of that word.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Aug, 2013 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From amnestyusa.org.
Quote:
Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territories

Human Rights Concerns

Amnesty International's concerns are based on international standards and applied equally within the proper legal framework. The legal framework is defined by who retains jurisdiction, or effective control, over an area and the circumstances or situation at the time of the human rights violation. Amnesty's concerns within Israel-proper, the area inside the 1949 (W. Bank/E. Jerusalem) and 1951 (Gaza Strip) armistice lines (also called the '1967 borders') include but are not limited to, ill-treatment and torture of detainees, excessive use of force, the detention of conscientious objectors, and forced evictions and home demolitions within 'unrecognized' Bedouin villages.
The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory (the West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip) is in its fifth decade and the undercurrent of violence and inherent abuses of fundamental human rights and disregard for international law inherent in any long-standing military occupation is presented by both sides. Both Israeli and Palestinian civilians continue to bear the brunt of the violence in the region.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2013 07:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Palestinians don't have any LEGAL RIGHTS in Israel. That's not a DEMOCRACY by any standard of that word.


What a blatant lie! Palestinian Israelis have rights equal to those of other Israelis. I guess you just can't stand the truth.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2013 07:53 pm
@Advocate,
I've been to Israel twice; they have control towers on the roads where Palestinian cars with green license plates cannot cross. Bethlehem is a prison where Palestinians cannot leave and Jews cannot enter.

I've posted a picture of Bethlehem. It looks more like a prison than it does a "village" of free peoples.

Where did you learn about the restrictions against Palestinians in Israel? FOX News?
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I've been to Israel twice; they have control towers on the roads where Palestinian cars with green license plates cannot cross. Bethlehem is a prison where Palestinians cannot leave and Jews cannot enter.

I've posted a picture of Bethlehem. It looks more like a prison than it does a "village" of free peoples.

Where did you learn about the restrictions against Palestinians in Israel? FOX News?


I don't look at Fox News.

There is a saying that good fences make good neighbors. That has never been more true than it is in the areas bordering Israel. There would never be fences but for the propensity of the Pals to attack innocent Israelis. Consider how many Israeli buses, pizza parlors, etc., that have been blown up by the Pals.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:08 am
@Advocate,
Good neighbors don't need fences. We've lived in communities where there are no fences - like in Naperville, IL. I'm sure there are many communities in the US like Naperville.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 12:08 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
There would never be fences but for the propensity of the Pals to attack innocent Israelis.


On the other hand, there would be no attacks on Israelis (innocent or otherwise)...if there was no state of Israel in the area.

Eliminate the state of Israel there...and the problem is well on its way to being solved.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 04:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Good neighbors don't need fences. We've lived in communities where there are no fences - like in Naperville, IL. I'm sure there are many communities in the US like Naperville.


I can see you are a good literalist.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 04:59 pm
@Advocate,
Better than a racial bigot! I don't mind who lives next door to me!
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 05:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Better than a racial bigot! I don't mind who lives next door to me!


Even if they were Asian haters?
 

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