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believe in god!

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2026 04:55 am
@FredBquick,
FredBquick wrote:

Sure. I don't dispute it if you don't believe in God. No doubt you think you can give convincing reasons. God will know that and everything else, nothing will be hidden. I know still to live right, understanding God cares.


Who in their right mind gives a damn whether any gods exist or not?Regardless of how people "believe" about gods...either at least one does exist...or none exist.

Seriously...whether at least one exists or none exist...is nothing but a blind guess about an unknown.

What difference does it matter?

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steve reid
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2026 10:04 am
@FredBquick,
FredBquick wrote:

Sure. I don't dispute it if you don't believe in God. No doubt you think you can give convincing reasons.

I don't need to, it is incumbent on those who claim and promote Gods existence to provide the evidence for Gods existence, not for me to disprove something I have no evidential knowledge of

You have written many times that God cares for all life or similar

China 1976, Tangshan earthquake killed over 200,000 people

Indian Ocean, 2004 earthquake and tsunami killed over 200,000 people

How do you square your God cares for all life with God placing mankind in such a deadly environment
coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2026 02:01 pm
Do you have time to worship your own thoughts?
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FredBquick
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2026 03:24 pm
@steve reid,
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Who in their right mind gives a damn whether any gods exist or not?Regardless of how people "believe" about gods...either at least one does exist...or none exist.
Seriously...whether at least one exists or none exist...is nothing but a blind guess about an unknown.
What difference does it matter?


I know God is with me in unexplained things happening that yet benefit me, even when others warned me from what did have such benefits before they were showing. I pray and watch and listen for the feedback. So God's being means something for me. I know there are not answers explaining things without God, it can be shown.

I have said God cares for all life, all this universe is carefully designed with parameters being just right, the universal physical constants of the universe, that life is possible in it, so God does care for it all, in any of the worlds with life. This world has spreading curse in it from all the rebellion, from the start, everything in it is affected. God will still deliver the creation that groans with the repentant having response in faith to God with God's way of deliverance. Any should turn from the rebellion against God with choices that are made. Are you making the world better? We are still here for that, it means nothing to not do anything for that and just blame God.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2026 02:28 am
@FredBquick,
FredBquick wrote:


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Who in their right mind gives a damn whether any gods exist or not?Regardless of how people "believe" about gods...either at least one does exist...or none exist.
Seriously...whether at least one exists or none exist...is nothing but a blind guess about an unknown.
What difference does it matter?


I know God is with me in unexplained things happening that yet benefit me, even when others warned me from what did have such benefits before they were showing. I pray and watch and listen for the feedback. So God's being means something for me. I know there are not answers explaining things without God, it can be shown.

I have said God cares for all life, all this universe is carefully designed with parameters being just right, the universal physical constants of the universe, that life is possible in it, so God does care for it all, in any of the worlds with life. This world has spreading curse in it from all the rebellion, from the start, everything in it is affected. God will still deliver the creation that groans with the repentant having response in faith to God with God's way of deliverance. Any should turn from the rebellion against God with choices that are made. Are you making the world better? We are still here for that, it means nothing to not do anything for that and just blame God.


The quote is from me, not Steve.

I do not know if any gods exist or not. I am pretty sure neither do you...unless you are a god.

If you want to "worship" some god or other...fine with me. But the bullshit you are peddling does nothing good for the world...less, in fact, than simply acknowledging that you do not know.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2026 08:08 am
@FredBquick,
Human beings experience many sensations and witness many coincidences that are inexplicable. Often these instances are accompanied by inner feelings of warmth and emotional fulfillment and other times by a sense of awe, maybe even with accompanying goosebumps or shuddering. And there is much to be gained by periodic meditation, a sense of universal gratitude, and a belief that one leads an ethical existence. If someone wants to lump all this as being related to "God", that's fine with me; I really don't care. But this personal sense of "God" exists only for you and does not prove the existence of a Supreme Being outside of your own mind. It may help you order and understand your own life but it does nothing to explain external reality.

Glade Ross wrote:
What Is Common Rationality?

The term common rationality does not imply that this is the reasoning used by most people most of the time. Rather, it is a capacity for careful reasoning that almost everyone has and that they employ on occasion, for example when making financial or business decisions or engaging in scientific research. To flesh this out, I’ll define what I mean when referring to common rationality. To assure specificity in this definition, I will hereinafter refer to it as “standard epistemological methodology,” abbreviated as “SEM.”

The meaning is simple:

• SEM honestly respects objective evidence.
• SEM demands logical coherence and logical consistency in all its conclusions.
• SEM makes all conclusions vulnerable to potential refutation.
• SEM does not set out to prove the truth of prior-existing conclusions. If anything, it’s more interested in rejecting a conclusion than in affirming it. Thus, it never deliberately isolates itself from evidence that might potentially unseat prior conclusions; indeed, it seeks such exposure regarding any and all conclusions that are subject to even potential doubt.
• SEM demands that our level of confidence in the veracity of a conclusion be commensurate with whatever is the probative value of objective evidence in its support. It rejects as spurious and dangerous any practice where greater confidence is attached than is justified.
• SEM is fastidiously truthful.

Absent extraordinary evidence guiding otherwise, SEM will not accept that subjective and internal human experience is evidence about anything more than what’s happening inside a person. Because no such evidential connection has ever been established, SEM rejects internal experience as a guide in understanding the world outside the individual self. Because this is a practical rejection and not preemptive, it is potentially subject to modification should future evidence so dictate.

In short, SEM is what is practiced in good science. It’s also what’s practiced by every person of ordinary or better intelligence when seeking to understand what’s real. And SEM works. It is precisely what’s led us to today’s rather impressive understanding regarding a vast array of things concerning our world, and it has produced modern technology.

My description of SEM would not be complete if I did not expressly acknowledge its limitations. It does not and cannot provide instant illumination regarding everything in our universe. At best, it builds in understanding only incrementally, often requires very strenuous work and effort, will always be a work in progress, and likely will never give us a full understanding of everything. Relying on induction rather than deduction for most of its conclusions, it likewise does not create absolute certainties. It provides only estimates of probability (its conclusions are always potentially vulnerable to disconfirmation), though many of its estimates are so overwhelming as to be virtually the same as certainties. These self-acknowledged limitations in SEM are indeed a reflection of its inherent humility and one of its great virtues. (emphasis is mine) source


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steve reid
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2026 11:17 am
@FredBquick,
FredBquick wrote:
...all this universe is carefully designed with parameters being just right, the universal physical constants of the universe, that life is possible in it...

That is how it appears to be, and from our point of view it would be impossible that it could appear otherwise, because it is the universal physical constants that moulded the universe into what it is today. At some point along the way life emerged then evolved within parameters allowed by the universal physical constants

If your omnipotent God had created the universe, then he could have chosen any one of an infinite number of different starting sets of universal physical constants in which to conduct his experiment, and create life suited to his chosen parameters. Then just like us, life in any of these possible alternate universes would come to the conclusion that the parameters and universal physical constants of their universe were carefully designed or just right for their universe. It seems to me that we/they each in our own universes couldn't but come to any other conclusion that the parameters were just right

So imho God or Nature, either way the universe would appear as you say 'just right'
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FredBquick
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2026 03:28 pm
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The quote is from me, not Steve.

I do not know if any gods exist or not. I am pretty sure neither do you...unless you are a god.

If you want to "worship" some god or other...fine with me. But the bullshit you are peddling does nothing good for the world...less, in fact, than simply acknowledging that you do not know.


Frank, it was no mistake, I don't want to make several posts at a time and I knew that quote was from you and was answering you and Steve in separate sentences. If I just push reply to a second person I don't get to post to the first one. This whole forum site falls short of what I could be doing.

I will accept you do not know, but I suspect you have excuses. I see unexplainable answers to what I ask of God, and this really is not overstating what I could only go over at length, to then have some here say that I am lying. So I don't keep doing this. I do know what I know.

I don't though try to get you or others to believe. What I do defends belief in God. What help is atheism to the world? I think it does nothing.

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Human beings experience many sensations and witness many coincidences that are inexplicable. Often these instances are accompanied by inner feelings of warmth and emotional fulfillment and other times by a sense of awe, maybe even with accompanying goosebumps or shuddering. And there is much to be gained by periodic meditation, a sense of universal gratitude, and a belief that one leads an ethical existence. If someone wants to lump all this as being related to "God", that's fine with me; I really don't care. But this personal sense of "God" exists only for you and does not prove the existence of a Supreme Being outside of your own mind. It may help you order and understand your own life but it does nothing to explain external reality.


hightor, I have not said to you what was inexplicable. It was more incredible than just what you suggest, I said already I would be called a liar again when I write at length everything that was involved, and it isn't worth it to me, while I know there is no explanation except that I was led exactly the right way with no knowledge from me or anyone else that those ways could be right and turn out so well, and that only happened with my trusting God's answers to me with my faith while others were speaking to discourage me.

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That is how it appears to be, and from our point of view it would be impossible that it could appear otherwise, because it is the universal physical constants that moulded the universe into what it is today. At some point along the way life emerged then evolved within parameters allowed by the universal physical constants.
If your omnipotent God had created the universe, then he could have chosen any one of an infinite number of different starting sets of universal physical constants in which to conduct his experiment, and create life suited to his chosen parameters. Then just like us, life in any of these possible alternate universes would come to the conclusion that the parameters and universal physical constants of their universe were carefully designed or just right for their universe. It seems to me that we/they each in our own universes couldn't but come to any other conclusion that the parameters were just right
So imho God or Nature, either way the universe would appear as you say 'just right'.


Steve, scientists understand this and I leaned of this from what scientists wrote. A little tiny increment different would make atoms not possible, another stars not right, too insufficient or all burning up too quickly, or the universe could have immediately collapsed too quickly, or dissipated to not form anything. It really is balanced to last and have a functional universe from what formed from the start, with there being any worlds with life possible in the universe.

So if it could be a multiverse of many many universes, what evidence is there of that which is more compelling than necessary existence that is Creator of everything of the physical universe? Can it convince me that the impossible to know things ahead were happening that I can attribute to God leading the way to that, in my experience, were actually not?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2026 05:54 am
@FredBquick,
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I will accept you do not know, but I suspect you have excuses.


I have no idea of what you mean by that, Fred.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY GODS. PERIOD.

I suspect it is not possible for anyone to know if there are any gods. I suspect it is not possible for anyone to know that there are no gods.

One can make a guess in either direction...BUT ALL IT IS IS A GUESS.

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I see unexplainable answers to what I ask of God, and this really is not overstating what I could only go over at length, to then have some here say that I am lying.


I do not think you are lying. I think you are kidding yourself if you suppose you KNOW there is at least one god...and I think you are kidding yourself if you suppose that you KNOW what that god expects of you or anyone else.

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So I don't keep doing this. I do know what I know.


Yes you do...and so do I. I KNOW that 2 + 2 = 4 in base 10. I KNOW that London currently is the capital of England and that Washington, DC currently is the capital of The United States.

And I DO NOT KNOW if there are any gods.

Not sure why this bothers you. It shouldn't...and it shouldn't bother any gods that happen to exist.

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I don't though try to get you or others to believe.


I SUSPECT that you do. I SUSPECT that you consider trying to get others to "believe" as you do...is something to be admired. So you do it whether you realize you do...or are willing to acknowledge that you do.

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What I do defends belief in God.


I SUSPECT you have more than that in mind as I mentioned in my reply sentence above.

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What help is atheism to the world?


No more than religion. Both religion and atheism are, for the most part, nothing but guesswork gone apeshit. Neither contributes anything substantial and both create negatives that UNNECESSARILY make living one's life much more difficult.

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I think it does nothing.


Perhaps. I suspect it does very little, but, as I mentioned, I suspect that "belief in gods" has that same defect.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2026 06:28 am
@FredBquick,
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What help is atheism to the world? I think it does nothing.

Employed as a heuristic device it can lead people to question and often discard beliefs not based on empirical knowledge. And, as Frank illustrates, this includes claims to "know" that no gods exist.
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...and that only happened with my trusting God's answers to me with my faith while others were speaking to discourage me.

You're simply using terms derived from religion to describe your own subjective experience. Using a religious vocabulary will compel you to adopt a perspective shaped by particular cultural traditions. It will not, however, provide a common foundation to establish the existence of any "god" but your own.
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