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Nighthawks - Edward Hopper

 
 
chai2
 
Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:05 am
It's said that this is a depressing painting, but I've never found it to be so.
Apparently, even the artist didn't intend that.

First time I ever saw this painting, I wanted to be one of the characters in it. It seemed to me, peaceful.

What impression do you get of this famous painting, and why?

http://theanadromist.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/edward-hopper-nighthawks.jpg
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:11 am
I've always liked it a lot. I like the play of the counter (wonderful counter) and the building on the upper left, and the short color band lower in that building. Love the lighting. Love the sense of space, how the spaces work. Just plain like the colors. Like the curve of the window base, and the shadow curve, both matching the counter curve, subtlely putting motion in the painting. Dig the mood, which I do not find depressing. Part of me is a city girl with city eyes... I see it as night mood with night people. Then there are the fedoras, which at the time weren't unusual, but I enjoy seeing now.

Reminds me of Armisted Maupin's title for a book, Tales of the City.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 10:14 am
@chai2,
Yeah, the solitary figure on the left gives the painting a feeling of loneliness, but also, there is something else about that figure.

Here are some notes from Hopper's wife about the painting:

Quote:
Night + brilliant interior of cheap restaurant. Bright items: cherry wood counter + tops of surrounding stools; light on metal tanks at rear right; brilliant streak of jade green tiles ¾ across canvas—at base of glass of window curving at corner. Light walls, dull yellow ocre [sic] door into kitchen right.

Very good looking blond boy in white (coat, cap) inside counter. Girl in red blouse, brown hair eating sandwich. Man night hawk (beak) in dark suit, steel grey hat, black band, blue shirt (clean) holding cigarette. Other figure dark sinister back—at left. Light side walk outside pale greenish. Darkish red brick houses opposite. Sign across top of restaurant, dark—Phillies 5c cigar. Picture of cigar. Outside of shop dark, green. Note: bit of bright ceiling inside shop against dark of outside street—at edge of stretch of top of window. source


A feeling of sinisterness was intended to be conveyed by the solitary figure juxtaposed with the other paired figures and the figure in white.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 10:39 am
@InfraBlue,
Ok, I can see if I gaze at the lone man for a moment how he could be sinister. In that I could get the impression he could be following "casing" the other 2. Even that doesn't ring true to me though, because since there are so few people up and about, and in the diner, it would be pretty obvious if he was following them.

My initial take on the man, at a glance, was that he had just stopped for a cup of coffee, on his way to somewhere else.

One thing that sticks out to me, considering the dress (indicating around what year this picture is set in), the time of day/night, the location, is that no one is smoking.

I think the man an the woman are very interesting. I think there's a comfortable romantic relationship between the 2. Look how her arm is bent under the other, to reach out to him. If she was just sitting with her arms folded, the arm wouldn't be moved over that far. He's not necessarily reaching back out to her, but that doesn't mean he isn't fond of her. They are both just thinking their own thoughts.

That's one of the big appeals for me. Everyone is thinking, not feeling the need to interact, they are just taking the opportunity to "be"

I'm betting the counterman knows all these people, like they stop by every couple weeks or so. The customers seem very familiar, at home there.

What time of the night do you think this picture is in?

I'm thinking 1:34 a.m.



chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 10:48 am
Unfortunately, this would be Nighthawks today....


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U42zY6fNb7Q/TVycKgFNyBI/AAAAAAAAAgw/CJ2LQzLMQoo/s1600/wifidiner.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 11:07 am
@chai2,
I agree much more with Chai than with Hopper and his notes, which is neat; I like it when people imbibe a painting and make it theirs.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 11:41 am
@chai2,
Here’s my take. The girl in the red dress is a hired call girl. Notice the dull expression on her face – she is thinking can’t wait for this night to be over so I can watch some reality shows. This dork is so boring – coffee really – I really get the losers.

The other guy by himself likes to watch. He has been following them to hopefully spy some action.

The server behind the counter is a serial killer - you can see it in his eyes.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 04:11 pm
@Linkat,
I've thought about the woman being a call girl.

In that case, I see the man as her pimp.

They could just be having a cup of coffee before going home.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:00 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
One thing that sticks out to me, considering the dress (indicating around what year this picture is set in), the time of day/night, the location, is that no one is smoking.


the guy with the woman is holding a cigarette

for years (before I looked at the pic with my glasses on), I thought the woman was looking at cigarette smoke rather than the sandwich she's holding


I've always liked it. Like it even more now that I'm older and have had my own late nights in 24 hour diners.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:01 pm
the thing that really strikes me is how old the customers seem, relative to the counter guy
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:47 pm
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:47 pm
@chai2,
I first saw this painting when my parents took me to Chicago's Art Institute in the early 1960's. I immediately connected with the painting's atmosphere. Most diners in the sixties looked like that and there are still some around today.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:50 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:


the guy with the woman is holding a cigarette

for years (before I looked at the pic with my glasses on), I thought the woman was looking at cigarette smoke rather than the sandwich she's holding


I've always liked it. Like it even more now that I'm older and have had my own late nights in 24 hour diners.


Oh, I didn't see the cigarette. Strange there isn't the slightest wisp of smoke. Plus no ashtray. Equally strange, when you think about it, is that there's no plate in front of the woman, since she's eating a sammich.
What do you make of that? Hoppers seems to be exacting in detail, those of odd things to leave out. There's no pictures on the wall, it's very minimal in scene, but a plate and ashtray?


Curiouser and curiouser.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:53 pm
i've always been more intrigued by the empty store across the street, no window display, just a cash register on the counter
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:59 pm
Here's another of Hoppers works I like (I just googled images of his work)

It's supposed to be at an automat, even though you don't see the vending machines.

What I like about this is that it's simply a woman, having a cup of coffee, in public, without needing an escort.

This one is supposed to be about being lonely too, but I don't necessarily see it.
There's a difference between being lonely, and being alone.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2138/2352469200_d30425c0a8_o.jpg

Now, This one looks lonely.

In this one both people seem lonely, even though they have apparently recently completed an act that should have brought them together.

http://www.101bananas.com/art/hopper4.3.jpg
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 08:01 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

I first saw this painting when my parents took me to Chicago's Art Institute in the early 1960's. I immediately connected with the painting's atmosphere. Most diners in the sixties looked like that and there are still some around today.


For the same reason, connecting, I also like this one...

http://uploads0.wikipaintings.org/images/edward-hopper/sheridan-theatre.jpg
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 08:03 pm
@ehBeth,
Did I see this in real life? It's at the Chicago Art Institute (site of an a2k meeting some of us got to go to, or part of it) - is the counter guy blond or gray?

Great museum. What do I remember most? the photographs in a temp show in the basement.

Looking up where it is usually installed, I saw a google link for Nighthawks analysis. I don't think I want to know, at least yet.
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chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 08:07 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

i've always been more intrigued by the empty store across the street, no window display, just a cash register on the counter


I realize when you said this that in my mind I always saw this shop as an out of business store that sold television sets, specifically Philcos.

It went out of business because the owner just didn't care if anyone came in his store or not. He didn't like running a store, but had somehow just fallen into it.

I think he got a job after the business closed, as some kind of traveling salesman, which he disliked equally. His wife was just as glad he was on the road all the time now.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69i0yba9e1r48hglo1_500.jpg
mismi
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 08:10 pm
@chai2,
I love the colors. I like the fact that it is not over crowded. It definitely seems to invite one in for a piece of pie and a cup of coffee....I do love diners though.
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 08:14 pm
@mismi,
what time of the night do you think it is mismi?
 

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