Does freedom of speech excuse preaching hate?

@oralloy,

Orallie, the likes of you doesn't tell me what to do and anyway I'd rather hear from normal Americans.
And Buddy... you ain't normal full stop.

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@eurocelticyankee,

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We all know what these Islamic headcases are like and he knew well he was going to get Americans killed.

There's tons of stuff like this movie on youtube. Should all of it be censored so that no one in the Muslim world (either here or abroad) is offended? Should the uploaders or the site itself face prosecution or some kind of penalty? Should they be forced to ban any material that denigrates anothers' religion regardless of what it is?

Just curious where we'd be willing to draw the line.

Books, movies, preaching on the corner --- censorship?

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@eurocelticyankee,

eurocelticyankee wrote:

Orallie

You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own dishonesty.

eurocelticyankee wrote:

the likes of you doesn't tell me what to do

You try interfering with the rights of free Americans, and the US government will either kill you or put you in jail.

eurocelticyankee wrote:

and anyway I'd rather hear from normal Americans.
And Buddy... you ain't normal full stop.

You engage in name-calling because you are too stupid to come up with an intelligent argument.

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@Irishk,

I completely agree with you, why should we let the lunatics dictate what we do and say.

Still, this Jones has form and I say again he knew this bullshit movie could and most likely would get people killed.
So where do you try the line, I mean even though we in the West generally all believe in free speech, still doesn't mean you can ignore the outside world and the fact that not everybody thinks like we do.
So in knowing that are you culpable when you do something you know will get fellow countrymen and women killed?.

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@eurocelticyankee,

eurocelticyankee wrote:

So in knowing that are you culpable when you do something you know will get fellow countrymen and women killed?.

When Muslims run around acting like Muslims, the only people who are culpable for it are the Muslims who are running around acting like Muslims.

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@oralloy,

Go away you pest!

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@eurocelticyankee,

I'm jumping from page 1 to page 9 to offer my .02c worth. I do not feel censorship is the answer to any form of hatred that results. Violence is what needs to be controlled.

That some people are offended by a movie doesn't justify killing for it. There are many peaceful ways to show their disagreement.

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@eurocelticyankee,

eurocelticyankee wrote:

I completely agree with you, why should we let the lunatics dictate what we do and say.

We don't and you don't. I don't think your government changed its policy after your embassy in Iran was attacked in 2011.

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Still, this Jones has form and I say again he knew this bullshit movie could and most likely would get people killed.

Secretary of State Clinton, I believe, has said this tragedy was caused by a small group of 'savage extremists'. It's not hard to provoke rage in a group that has little ability to reason. The subsequent rioting appears to have support from the leaders of those countries rioting.

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So where do you try the line, I mean even though we in the West generally all believe in free speech, still doesn't mean you can ignore the outside world and the fact that not everybody thinks like we do.

There's really no justification for the murderous response perpetrated by the savage extremists. Banning speech or censorship of thought as a remedy only makes it worse, IMO.

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So in knowing that are you culpable when you do something you know will get fellow countrymen and women killed?.

Again, media in various forms offending all religions abound in the universe and singling out one person for promoting a satirical view of Mohammad (no matter how repulsive) leads us down a path I think we'd eventually come to regret.

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The West has huge problem trying to argue against censorship given our recent history of using the PC laws to allow the most easily offended person control everyone elses speech. Re censorship: you can't be a little bit preggers...you either believe in and let others practice free speech or you don't.

Mostly we don't anymore. We used to be better.

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has anyone mentioned yet that the jews killed christ

wait are we for or against hate speech

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@djjd62,

I vote for naked Twister!

Oh wait......wrong forum LOL!

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

has anyone mentioned yet that the jews killed christ

wait are we for or against hate speech

I 'm neutral.

David

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm jumping from page 1 to page 9 to offer my .02c worth. I do not feel censorship is the answer to any form of hatred that results. Violence is what needs to be controlled.

That some people are offended by a movie doesn't justify killing for it. There are many peaceful ways to show their disagreement.

This sounds like ignorance....what the demonstrators are demanding is the right to tell others what to say...this is not a statement of disagreement over the message. A conversation about the message would be a good thing but this is not that. This is about power, full stop.

The correct proper and civilized response to the protesters is "GO **** YOURSELF!"

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

The correct proper and civilized response to the protesters is "GO **** YOURSELF!"

Not when the protesters are assaulting our embassies.

In my view, the proper response is to machinegun the protesters.

Maybe we should remind the world that the original use of napalm (Greek Fire) was to spray on Muslims when they attack you.

The Byzantine Empire put it to great use against the Muslims way back when.

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@oralloy,

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In my view, the proper response is to machinegun the protesters.

You have mental problems, bro.

And, like I said earlier, you're just a pussy sitting behind a keyboard. You'd probably be hiding in a closet if the **** hit the fan in real life.

This kind of thing is generally why we - a very successful nation - don't let guys like you form or run our foreign policy.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You have mental problems, bro.

Nah. I just don't feel like surrendering to the Muslims.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

And, like I said earlier, you're just a pussy sitting behind a keyboard.

Lying about me won't change the fact that I'm right to suggest that we defend ourselves.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You'd probably be hiding in a closet if the **** hit the fan in real life.

You're the one who wants to cower before the Muslims instead of defending ourselves.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

This kind of thing is generally why we - a very successful nation - don't let guys like you form or run our foreign policy.

Actually America does let people like me form and run our foreign policy.

Neither Obama nor Romney are going to surrender to the Muslims if they win the election.

You may want them to surrender. But they won't.

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@izzythepush,

By proselytizing the end of American free speech, you seem to be promulgating anti-American speech. Well, technically not hate speech, but anti-American speech is quite rampant in the Middle East, and is acted out now and then in terrorism. So, you should not think your sort of speech is so benign, in my opinion.

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@oralloy,

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Actually America does let people like me form and run our foreign policy.

Actually, we don't. You may have noticed that we didn't 'machine-gun' the crowd. And that we haven't done that in the past when our embassies are stormed, and we won't in the future.

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Neither Obama nor Romney are going to surrender to the Muslims if they win the election.

Both Romney and Obama realize that 'the Muslims' pose no threat to us whatsoever. We won't surrender to them, because there's nothing to surrender to; no reason to do so.

The only reason you don't realize that, is because you are a paranoid delusionac. And I maintain that you would cower if you were the one whose life was on the line. It's been my long life experience that the loudest-talking bullies rarely have anything to back their bluster up.

Cycloptichorn

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Foofie wrote:
I do not see any Americans proselytizing ....

jesus murphy, sometimes it seems it's all the country does in terms of international relations

not necessarily individual Americans, but it does appear to be something of a national default

Well, thank you for calling me Murphy. A very distinguished clan.

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@oralloy,

We need to stand our ground for our right to live our life according to our values, which in this case means we don't kill unless we must but we don't let others control us either. If the muslims continue killing us over our determination to live our own lives then war is demanded.

Defending our freedom and independents is always just cause for war.

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