18
   

They’re 18 for Gods sake

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:16 am
@aidan,
Quote:
I just know I was taught it is immoral to be selfish and self-serving, especially when you have children depending on you.


Anybody who even raises an eyebrow in admonition at the lady's behaviour is a Christian witch-hunter. A mild one admittedly but the mildness is only due to the absence of economic pressure. A jail term involves the real thing.

Someone saying that they were taught that she was immoral is not proof of them being unselfish and not self-serving. I think abortion is immoral and also divorce when children are involved.

No doubt the proceedings being taken against her have participants who have been involved in abortion and divorce and adultery and their outrage does not give them a free pass or establish their moral credentials.

On Auberon Waugh's principle--"the more he talked of his honesty the faster we counted the spoons" the lady's persecutors are likely to be the most immoral.

Quote:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.


Gospel of St. John. Chapter 8 verse 7.

Supporters of the promotion of evolution theory have nothing condemnatory to say on the subject.

spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:29 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Leaving aside that i haven't seen you provide one shred of evidence that that was once true,


That might be because Frank does not know that there is biological evidence confirming evolution's position relating to the matter or that he prefers to be discreet about it. (see Prof. Scott Pitnick of Syracuse University.)
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:39 am
@spendius,
Also see Freud, Reich and many others on the neuroses caused by the inhibition of natural urges and their effects on cell functioning.

You're all Christians beneath that phoney scientific veneer you try to paint yourselves with in order to justify your own sexual infractions.

The incredible moral discrepancy between the lady's behaviour and 50 million legal abortions done for profit since the rectitude of Roe Wade is mind boggling. It beggars belief.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 05:47 am
When you have a natural biological urge to fart I would hope you would get away from the crowd, spendi.
IRFRANK
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:23 am
@ossobuco,
Quote:
It matters if she is his ******* teacher.



I didn't find a '*******' teacher until I was 19. But I was a late bloomer.

Seriously, that is an issue.

So, fire her as a teacher.

Jail time is not called for in this instance.

BillRM
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:35 am
@dalehileman,
I already had a thread going on this subject and yes it is outrageous in every sense.

http://able2know.org/topic/196108-1
BillRM
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:40 am
@BillRM,
Footnote the Arz SC had already thrown out a similar law as being unconstitutional and free a man given a 30 years sentence under it .

Adults are adults and therefore have a right to picked their own sexual partners in fact a constitution right to do so without the state interfering with the choice.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
The 20 years was my mistake...


The 20 years is the maximum possible punishment for this so call crime in Texas and in her case it could had been 20 years times the numbers of students she had have sex with.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:53 am
@aidan,
Your boys and your girls are not children at age 18 other then drinking they have the same rights of adulthood as you do including picking their sexual partners even it that partner is a teacher of a boss or whatever.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 08:56 am
@aidan,
Quote:
Okay, so let me get this straight...you're saying that you don't see anything at all wrong, morally or otherwise, with a teacher, who is also a married twenty-eight year old mother of three, engaging in group sex with her students?


Not everything that is immoral is illegal or should be illegal or under our constitution can be illegal.
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BillRM
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 09:07 am
@aidan,
Quote:
Ha, ha - funny. And those orgasms cost three children their mother - although maybe they're better off in the long run if that's what she puts ahead of their welfare.


Yes this will occur until and unless a state court or a federal court find this law unconstitutional as the state of AZ. SC found such a law unconstitutional and released a man sentence to 30 years under it.

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spendius
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 11:04 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
When you have a natural biological urge to fart I would hope you would get away from the crowd, spendi.


It's an interesting subject ed. In some social gatherings I must admit that I take the risk of becoming neurotic about my sphincter control, which I gather my parents taught me to stop my production of ****-filled nappies, but I compensate in other social gatherings in order to counteract the effects. It's one of the reasons I keep most of my company with a select few. What restraints I impose on myself on more formal occasions I feel is due to my profound respect for my fellow man and ladies of distinction and delicate refinement.

I read a scientific survey which said that men fart 35 times a day and ladies only 30. Once I imparted this startling information to my pals they took to shouting out a number after ripping one off. As it was usually late in the day when I was socialising it was something like 29 or 32. Once one of them shouted "one" and on being challenged about it he pointed to the clock which showed 2 minutes after midnight and claimed that a new day was upon us.

My favourite is "fall out the oficers" but those who don't know any body who was with Monty's Desert Rats when they reached Alexandria after a seriously trying march, will probably not appreciate the allusion.

I've already told the tale of the fart machine which the daughter of one of the regulars had borrowed off a friend in the ballet lessons. It worked on remote control at up to 100 feet or so, Radio waves, or electro magnetic radiations, which some foolish people think they understand just because of knowing what they can be made to do.

So I won't bore you with that again and besides, this post has already gone on longer that I intended it to do when I started it.

Although I ought to add that if The Library of Congress is going to licence movies which depict mature ladies taking on four athletic young men then it is not surprising that a few of the more spirited lasses might take a fancy to trying it. I know I would if I was a good looking 26 year old lady with access to a football team.

A creative writer might try to imagine the best words to describe the scene, and the relevant antecedents, in which the idea of a fivesome, including Miss, first crystallised as a go-er.
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contrex
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 11:36 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Auberon Waugh


If I encounter anyone quoting that effete, drunken, snobbish, ­sneering, racist and sexist creep I lock up my daughter until they are gone.
spendius
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 11:45 am
@contrex,
He certainly wasn't effete contrex. He was in hospital for a very long time recovering from numerous pieces of lead being shot into his chest from a Bren gun whilst on active service. It was probably the cause of his most unfortunate premature death. And his father was an intelligence officer behind enemy lines in the Balkans during WW2.

Neither of them had much time for phonies who call others sexist and racist as a means of pretending they are not sexist and racist themselves. A very cheap trick and as easy to see through as it is to do.
aidan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 11:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
And I was taught it is immoral to gloat and delight in the misfortune of other people. I was taught it is immoral to be overly judgmental about others.
I'm not gloating. I feel very sorry for this woman and her family and children. As I said, she was obviously unable to control herself to the point that she risked her family and job for sex.
She probably needs some sort of help.

And for the third time, I don't believe she deserves jail time.

But I do have to say that the sort of behavior that she engaged in, really cannot and should not be tolerated by a community and its schools.

You know, think about it this way...what if it was YOUR mother who was a teacher in your town and who was having it off with four teenaged footballers at a time, or your wife,or your daughter?
Let me guess - you'd say, 'Jeez - I only hope you had one hell of an orgasm.- you go girl!'

Give me a break!


ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 12:32 pm
@IRFRANK,
I agree with you on that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 12:38 pm
@aidan,
Quote:
I'm not gloating. I feel very sorry for this woman and her family and children. As I said, she was obviously unable to control herself to the point that she risked her family and job for sex.
She probably needs some sort of help.


I didn't say you were. I said some people were. And I agree...the woman probably needs some sort of help. She is in prison for ******* a consenting adult of the opposite sex.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 12:39 pm
@aidan,
Quote:
And for the third time, I don't believe she deserves jail time.


I know you do not "believe" she deserves jail time...and I have never suggested otherwise. So why not stop at three times...because any others are just as unnecessary as the first three.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 12:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
She is in prison for ******* a consenting adult of the opposite sex.


That's not quite true is it.

What was she charged with?

Given her age and her professional status I find it hard to believe that she didn't know it was against the law.

If she didn't like the law she could have researched moving to another state where it wasn't a problem, or campaigned against the law.

Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 01:02 pm
@ehBeth,
Or simply subordinated her lust to what ought to have been her principles.
 

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