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The Family Research Council is a hate group.

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 06:04 am
@BillRM,
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Did you forget something like that the gay population is only 3 to 5 percents of the total population?


Yeah, I am also wondering where you got that statistic.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 06:12 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

he proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study.
Freund K, Watson RJ.
SourceDepartment of Behavioural Sexology, Clarke Institute of Psychiatry, Toronto, Ont., Canada.

Abstract
Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.


I think you missed what the abstract for the study said Bill. Your conclusion is clearly not possible from the research you cited.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 06:42 am
@parados,
You mean do I think it likely that primary straight males that are also pedophiles would go after little boys instead of little girls no.

Second NAMBLA self ID as part of the gay community even those the gay community is very unhappy about that fact.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 06:45 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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but the estimates range as high as 95% of paedophiles being male heterosexuals


Interesting given the public record of the priesthood of the catholic faith as it never seems to be little girls that are being harm but little boys instead.


you need to do some more research
parados
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 07:18 am
@BillRM,
When you refer to primary straight males then it negates your 3-5% argument you made earlier.
As many as 37% have homosexual tendencies if not encounters.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 07:24 am
@BillRM,
And many that have sex with young boys consider themselves heterosexual.
http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2010/04/12/a-deal-with-the-devil/
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 12:17 pm
@parados,
And many that have sex with young boys consider themselves heterosexual.



Like NAMBLA?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2012 04:12 pm
@ehBeth,
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you need to do some more research


Anything for you ehbeth..............

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/apr/10040104

In a 2002 study conducted by USA Today, it was determined that of the 234 priests that have been accused of sexual abuse of a minor while serving in the nation's ten largest dioceses, 91 percent of the allegations involved male victims. [1]

The Boston Globe reported similar findings in 2003 saying, "Of the clergy sex abuse cases referred to prosecutors in Eastern Massachusetts, more than 90 percent involve male victims, and the most prominent Boston lawyers for alleged victims of clergy sexual abuse have said that about 95 percent of their clients are male." [2]

Also noteworthy is research conducted by Dr. Thomas Plante of the Department of Psychology at Santa Clara University who found that 80 - 90 percent of the alleged victims of abuse were post-pubescent adolescent boys - not prepubescent children - meaning that the abusers in these cases "are not pedophiles at all but are ephebophiles" (i.e. they demonstrate a sexual attraction to mid-to-late adolescents). [3]

Now let's consider Ms. Smith's assertion that heterosexual priests are just as likely to commit abuse as homosexual priests. If she is correct, we should expect the ratio of priests accused of abusing post-pubescent females to those accused of abusing post-pubescent males to mirror the demographics of the priesthood as a ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals.

So, do the researchers at John Jay College really mean to imply that some 90% of the priesthood in the U.S. is homosexual?

The question alone is so preposterous as to border on the offensive, but 9:1 is the ratio of priests accused of abusing adolescent males to those accused of abusing adolescent females. Applying this same ratio to the sexual orientation of the priest population as a whole is simply the logical extension of Ms. Smith's assertion that both groups present an equal risk of abuse.

If, as I assume, Ms. Smith and her colleagues do not mean to imply that homosexual priests outnumber their heterosexual counterparts 9 to 1, it's only common sense to expect the USCCB to demand a plausible explanation for the overwhelming preponderance of male victims.

Karen Terry, a colleague of Ms. Smith who also addressed the USCCB assembly, may have preempted questions concerning the small percentage of female victims when she cautioned the bishops, "Even though there was sexual abuse of many boys, that doesn't necessarily mean that the person had a homosexual identity."

"It's important to separate the sexual identity and the behavior," she continued. "Someone can commit sexual acts that might be of a homosexual nature but not have a homosexual identity."

Excuse me? If researchers don't consider an adult male's sexual attraction to a teenaged boy a flashing neon sign for homosexuality, then I'm not entirely sure I want to know what they do consider proof.

Undaunted in their effort to explain the homosexual connection away, however, Ms. Terry said that greater access to boys is one of the reasons for the skewed ratio of male victims, and Ms. Smith even went so far as to raise the analogy of homosexual activity among prison populations as supporting evidence.

One cannot help but be outraged by this transparent attempt to gloss over the obvious link between homosexuality and the incidence of clergy sexual abuse, but far more troubling than this is the fact that the USCCB should have known that this is exactly what it was going to get even before it earmarked $1 Million for the John Jay back study in 2005.

Writing in First Things Magazine in 2004, Fr. Richard John Neuhaus made the following observation:

"In its report and its February 27 presentation, the John Jay team was manifestly nervous about the homosexuality factor. The woman making the slide presentation at the National Press Club skipped over the data on adolescent males in a nanosecond. A perhaps jaundiced network reporter remarked afterwards about the downplaying of the homosexuality factor, 'Remember that the John Jay people have to go back and get along in New York City.'" [4]

In that same article, Fr. Neuhaus said that the USCCB's very own Nation Review Board had also made note of the problem:

"The John Jay report notes that the proportion of victims who were male increased in the 1960s and reached 86 percent in the '70s, remaining there through the 1980s. In a footnote, the NRB report responds to the frequent obscuring of the homosexual factor by reference to 'ephebophilia.' The authors write, 'The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (IV) does not recognize ephebophilia as a distinct disorder. Ephebophilia is thus not a disorder in the technical sense, but rather a newly coined descriptive term for homosexual attraction to adolescent males.'" [ibid
hello from europe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 07:37 am
@BillRM,
don't ignore the fact that in europe most people who decided (or who had the community decide for them) to become priests did so because they are gay. since they couldn't marry women they "married" god and served him instead of another man.
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hello from europe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:05 am
@BillRM,
45% of gays are ephebophiles meaning they are primarily attracted to boys and young men (aged from when they start puberty to early 20s). in some european countries the gay movement pushed very hard to lower the age of consent to as low as 12 so ephebophiles which are form a giant percentage of the gay population could have sexual relations with boys and young men without becoming sex offenders. actually, jerry sandusky fits this profile perfectly and he's been labeled a pedophile which isn't exactly true. in my opinion he's a homosexual ephebophile or somewhere between that and a pedophile.
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hello from europe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:07 am
@parados,
the study is very confusing. it doesn't mention if female pedophiles were a part of the study and the numbers are all over the place and out of any proportion. i don't think anyone can make conclusions from any of this.
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