Religion - (Christianity) Please Help...!

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

arguments from ignorance.

You obviously don't even know what the argument from ignorance is.

@Krumple,

How do you think your responses here are helping the original poster find comfort with the differences in the practices of Christianity she sees around her?

The question wasn't whether or not she should believe in God. That is a different discussion.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

How do you think your responses here are helping the original poster find comfort with the differences in the practices of Christianity she sees around her?

The question wasn't whether or not she should believe in God. That is a different discussion.

She was asking why there were such differences. It is obvious why there are differences. There are 33 thousand different denominations of christianity. It is because there is no clear and consist or consistent way of looking at the theology. In short my reasoning was because the religion doesn't actually reflect reality at all.

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@Krumple,

To misquote Apocalypse Now, I don't see any reasoning at all.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

To misquote Apocalypse Now, I don't see any reasoning at all.

Of course you don't. You would first need to have a bit of intellect to be able to. It's okay izzy you can still play with the actual intelligent people. We will pat you on the head and encourage you. Nice to see you trying. Keep it up, you just might say something intelligent one of these days.

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@Krumple,

Oh i understand what it is. You do not have sufficient evidence for your attack on christian doctrine, because of your ignorance of christian doctrine. This is not a dichotomy of your claim versus someone else's claim, it is a case of your claim being false because it lacks evidence, it is baed on a simplistic and false description of christian doctrine. I pointed that out immediately.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Oh i understand what it is. You do not have sufficient evidence for your attack on christian doctrine, because of your ignorance of christian doctrine. This is not a dichotomy of your claim versus someone else's claim, it is a case of your claim being false because it lacks evidence, it is baed on a simplistic and false description of christian doctrine. I pointed that out immediately.

What else need be understood? The only part I addressed was the absurdity of the crucifixion. Are you saying I don't understand the christian dogma behind it? If you accept jesus you are rescued from gods wrath of endless abandonment and torture but if you believe in jesus then he will grant you ever lasting life. But first jesus needs to be tortured and murdered for this plan to be enacted.

People think this is perfectly reasonable. But this is just one of the many examples of how absurd it is to worship such a vindictive wicked concept. I think if anything perhaps it is you who does not understand the christian theology?

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@Krumple,

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It is so convoluted to think that a god would think it were necessary to kill a being just so it can forgive a trait that was built into the rest of the beings.

This is what you wrote. Christian doctrine does not hold that god killed a being, because god the son is seen as having sacrified himself to acheive the salvation of mankind. It is not a matter of whether or not someone is willing to recognize that god found it necessary to kills someone, because that is not christian doctrine. Therefore, yours is an argument from ignorance.

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Izzythepush:

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Are you crying fowl, and using her as an escape goat?

You

....made me spit up my coffee..... .

Joe( Cool

)Nation

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

This is what you wrote. Christian doctrine does not hold that god killed a being, because god the son is seen as having sacrified himself to acheive the salvation of mankind. It is not a matter of whether or not someone is willing to recognize that god found it necessary to kills someone, because that is not christian doctrine. Therefore, yours is an argument from ignorance.

This has got to be one of the most absurd things ever written. But like I said it does not matter who or what was tortured. The fact that something had to be tortured and killed for the plan to work. It doesn't matter if it is god in the flesh killing itself. The very fact that the act was required to make it work is the sadistic part of it. You keep going back to it as if you have some leg to stand on and talking about a position that is meaningless.

And I should remind you the "argument from ignorance" fallacy is about using an alternate unsupported position for an explanation. You don't have the slightest clue what the argument from ignorance is. Funny and amusing that you try though.

If an all powerful god could do anything. Why is it necessary to become flesh to begin with? Doesn't it have knowledge of what it would be like to be human? Seems rather redundant to become human. Or is this another aspect where the god really doesn't have all knowledge and just reacts as he goes along. Decides it might be a good idea to check out life from "their" perspective and see what all the fuss is about. Kills itself so that it can forgive the very trait that it gave to the beings from the start. Like getting angry at a computer program for doing something you programmed it to be able to do. It is childish to grant a trait and then punish for that trait.

People support this theology because they really have no empathy for humanity to begin with. They don't care if their god destroys 99% of the world because he doesn't like how things are going. That is perfectly reasonable and acceptable and worthy of praise. No. It is absurdity.

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@Joe Nation,

Always pleased to help clean your computer screen.

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@Krumple,

First, because you seem not to understand what is being said to you, i have not charged you with using a logical fallacy. The one to which you incorrectly refer is argumentum ad ignorantium, which means argumen tto ignorance, an appeal to ignorance. That is not what i have been talking about. I'm not referring to a formal, logical fallacy, i'm referring your habit of arguing from a position of ignorance.

For example, killing god the son cannot reasonably be considered an institutionalized form of sadism, because christian doctrine does not call on adherents to enjoy, to revel in the death of the "savior." Once again, you display a shallow ignorance of the doctrine which you criticize.

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People support this theology because they really have no empathy for humanity to begin with.

This very clearly shows that you know nothing about christian doctrine. Adherents are called upon to reform because their sins were the burden which god the son suffered. Far from showing a lack of empathy, they are called upon to reform as a response to their empathy for the suffering of god the son, and of all mankind.

You really don't know what the **** you're talking about, but that's nothing new.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

For example, killing god the son cannot reasonably be considered an institutionalized form of sadism, because christian doctrine does not call on adherents to enjoy, to revel in the death of the "savior." Once again, you display a shallow ignorance of the doctrine which you criticize.

It doesn't matter if they liked it or hated it. This is absurd to even bring up. Completely irrelevant. How they feel about the act is not even what I am referring to, but once again it is the very act itself that is necessary to carry out the plan. Why can't this god just snap it's fingers and tell one of it's prophets that the plan has been changed and he has forgiven humanity of their sins against him? Seems much more peaceful and quite clear. It seemed to work for other cases why not this one?

Why is it necessary that a thing had to die for it to work? Well I know why. The culture at that time believed that you could slaughter something and sacrifice it on behalf of yourself as a means of ridding yourself of some negative thing. There was a tradition to take a goat and do a ceremony where your past sins were placed onto the goat and the goat was forced into the desert to die as a means to rid oneself of something. This same concept is used with jesus as a final sacrifice of blood to a god they admire and respect who accepts death as a means to rid others of some acts.

Krumple wrote:

People support this theology because they really have no empathy for humanity to begin with.

Setanta wrote:

This very clearly shows that you know nothing about christian doctrine. Adherents are called upon to reform because their sins were the burden which god the son suffered. Far from showing a lack of empathy, they are called upon to reform as a response to their empathy for the suffering of god the son, and of all mankind.

This is part of the absurdity. You can't grant a being "free will" and then expect it to behave a certain way and when it doesn't you destroy it or torture it because of that. It is sadistic and cruel.

Setanta wrote:

You really don't know what the **** you're talking about, but that's nothing new.

The only person who doesn't have a clue here, is you. You want to turn a blind eye to these facts that christianity is just another source of human misery and you support the concept of cruelty is perfectly reasonable.

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@Krumple,

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You want to turn a blind eye to these facts that christianity is just another source of human misery and you support the concept of cruelty is perfectly reasonable.

Leaving aside your inept use of the language, you display your ignorance and your inability to follow a discussion once again. I have more than once pointed out that i am not an adherent of christianity. What my opinions on the subject are is just one more thing of which you are ignorant. Nothing, absolutely nothing which i have written suggest that i consider that "cruelty is perfectly reasonable." I have simply been pointing out that you know nothing about christian doctrine. You prove it over and over again.

There a several very good arguments against christian doctrine, you just happen to have articulated any of them.

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So refreshing to see Setanta, of all people, defending Christianity! Laughing

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@Lustig Andrei,

I don't know that i'm defending it so much as pointing out that Krumple argues from an ignorance of its precepts.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I don't know that i'm defending it so much as pointing out that Krumple argues from an ignorance of its precepts.

Krumple has no choice but to argue from ignorance. What else would this K person argue from? It's all s/he's got. I've finally put K on "ignore." It's not even amusing any more.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Krumple has no choice but to argue from ignorance. What else would this K person argue from? It's all s/he's got. I've finally put K on "ignore." It's not even amusing any more.

And that is why you agreed with statements I have made in the past? I find it funny as soon as I say something that you disagree with you put me on ignore.

There is a good thing about morons who put me on ignore. They won't respond to my statements and create a whole bunch of non-sense remarks.

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Let the word answer your questions. The truth is known to those who continue in the teaching of the son of man and serve the Lord. The word of the Lord is truth. Example;

"Speak the truth to one another, judge justly, and let honesty and peace be at your gates", says the Lord.

"Worship God alone, Him alone shall you serve," says Jesus and the son of man.

"If you continue in my teaching ,you are truly my disciple, then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."[/u][/b]

"Let your heart hold fast to my words, keep my commands so you will live."

"By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned."

"All those who do right shall rise to live, the evil doer's shall rise to be damned."

I am the light of the world, no one who follows me shall ever walk in darkness because they will possess the light of life.

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@mismi,

Thank you

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