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Creationism is the claim. What is the evidence?

 
 
Defender
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 10:25 pm
El-Diablo wrote:
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And please don't give me some garbage about the fossil record. Evolution scientists have already admitted this imaginary ancestoral tree, where every plant and creature alive today is at the outter branches and can be traced back inwardly to other branches and so on all the way to the trunk, the first life form, they've admitted this is not what we find in the fossil record. Rather, its more like a bunch of parallel straight lines. Every species is the same from its earliest finding until its extinction. Even though Darwin was convinced the fossil record would be full of transitional forms. Its not. So don't mention the lie, sorry, hypothesis of the fossil record.



I'm wondering as to who these scientists are who said this. Knowing that they are "Evolution" scientist even further makes me wonder. Sounds like lying propoganda to me. However if you provide a link (to obviously a non-Creationist-"Hey look this scientist denies evolution; he's right" site) I will retract what I said and your argument will only be further strengthened. I also ask that this "scientist" not be some college student or "Aliens killed Dinosaurs" type guy wanting himself on the front of a newspaper.


Starman, not to be rude, but I am stilling waiting for a response.



Since it appears Starman can no longer post - just thought I'd pass along that the quotes are about 1/2 way down on the page here:

Edit (Moderator): Link removed

Just FYI.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 10:38 pm
What the? Why am I listed as flunking the Hitler/Darwin test?
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Monger
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 12:25 am
SCoates wrote:
What the? Why am I listed as flunking the Hitler/Darwin test?

Because Starman (also using the name Defender) is a dishonest coward. On that site he posted slurs & outright lies about many members of this forum whom he disagrees with.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 12:53 am
I didn't disagree with him, I just suggested he take a little more time to word his arguments.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 01:36 am
Darwin may have been theorizing but the evidence if one cares to study it is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution. Obviously there are those who come into these forum who are not very well read and theri silliness is manifested in tosing insults around, which is against the TOS.
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Portal Star
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 08:24 am
Starman wrote:
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If you look at "creation scientists*," sure. But evolutionary theory is the basis of modern science, and every class I've had (botany, biology, oceanography) is supportive of evolution studies.
Portal Star wrote:
Try reading somthing that has nothing to do with confirming your beliefs - it will do you good.


IZL may be the biggest J_rk, but no one makes me want to puke as much as you do.


If you read the rest of my post, you would discover that "creation scientists" do not use the scientific method, therefore I don't consider them scientists.

Measuring instruments are not biased. Do you think they are? They are simply methods of collecting abstract data to be interpreted.

I was given a list of real scientists earlier on in the thread whose findings were said to support creation science. That's fine with me if those are the conclusions of scientists (those who use the scientific method, publish, test...) but most of the scientists listed were supporters of evolution. Do you know of any scientists whose work is supportive of creationism?
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Portal Star
 
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Reply Tue 9 Mar, 2004 08:29 am
Starman wrote:
patiodog wrote:
Did somebody say fossil record?

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The trail of whale evolution begins in Paleocene time, about 60 mya, with a group of even-toed, hoofed, trotting, scavenging carnivorous mammals called mesonychians. The first whales (pakicetids) are known from lower Eocene rocks, that formed about 51 mya; the pakicetids are so similar to mesonychians that some were misidentified as belonging to that group. However, the teeth of pakicetids are more like those of whales from middle Eocene rocks, about 45 mya, than they are like the teeth of mesonychians. Pakicetids are found in nonmarine rocks and it is not clear how aquatic they were.


In 1994, Ambulocetus natans, whose name means "walking whale that swims," was described from middle Eocene rocks of Pakistan. This species provides fossil evidence of the origin of aquatic locomotion in whales. Ambulocetus preserves large forelimbs and hind limbs with large hands and feet, and the toes have hooves as in mesonychians. Ambulocetus is regarded as having webbing between the toes and it could walk on land as well as swim; thus, it lived both in and out of the water.


From late Eocene time onward, evolution in whales shows reduction of the hind-limbs, modification of the forelimbs and hands into flippers for steering, development of a massive tail, etc.; all of these changes are modifications for the powerful swimming of modern whales. The fossil Rodhocetus from the upper Eocene rocks, about 38 mya, of Pakistan already shows some of these modifications.


http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/examplesofevolution.html
Edit (Moderator): Do not post links to your site
IronLionZion wrote:
you have ended the evolutionary debate ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD


Anyway, this whale thing is just a bunch of paleobabble like all the rest has been. But wait, the best is yet to come…………………………………………………………….


"…where the wind won't blow,
really shouldn't go,
it only goes to show…"



The beauty of science is that if it is incorrect, it can be (and should be) contradicted. That means there are no agendas in science over the long term other than finding the truth about our universe.

Attempting to confirm the historical event of the parables in the new and old testaments is an unalterable agenda. Unlike science, it's non-falsifiable to its believers.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 11:24 am
You said a mouthful, Portal Star. Science is based on an inherent scepticism, not a blind faith. If one studies paleontology and evolution they can come to the revelation that creationism isn't as written in the Bible. It can be reconciled to what those wriiters authored at the time but even that takes a lot of stretching. The creation science fanatics have stretched it beyond recognition by distorting facts that are overwhelmingly contracticted by scientific study. Evolution is no longer a theory. There are those who should stop examining the lint in their naval and actually read some books. They are hopelessly lost in the past, a past that has faded away many hundreds of years ago with intelligent thought.
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 08:04 pm
My quesion still hasnt been answered. Believe if the link was removed then it probably isnt credible. At least get a suitable site lol.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 08:15 pm
What was your question?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 08:23 pm
The bible needs to be reinterpreted over and over to agree with scientific findings. Science on the other hand, continues to correct it's own information as new facts are revealed. Bible: The earth was created in seven days and seven nights - 7,000 years ago. God rested on the seventh day. Science: It takes the lights of some stars in the galaxies to reach earth billions of years. Fact: When the bible was written, the writers of the bible did not understand the speed of light, and the distance of the stars. Conclusion: Man wrote the bible, and not god.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 08:38 pm
I disagree with some of your "facts" there is scripture which documents God instructing prophets on the nature of light and astromony. Your conclusion takes a big jump from your facts also. God is a bit of a poet from my impressions, and has taken acceptable license in his work.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 09:44 pm
Facts from the bible: 1) "On the first day, god created light, then separated light and darkness." GE 1:3-5. Ever shine light on a ball? Oh well..... 2) The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day. GE 1:14-19. When were the plants created? 3) Man and woman were created on the same day. GE 1:26-27 Man was created first. GE 2:7. "Acceptable license?" Sounds more like comic book license to me!
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 09:55 pm
You have no imagination.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:04 pm
Imagination such as in fantasy? I will accept that the wandering scribes (now affectionately known as "prophets") who authored the Bible have one hell of an imagination. If alive today, they'd probably be writing scripts for "Star Wars" movies.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:11 pm
A myriad of explanations have already been discussed on this topic. It's not very impressive to just ignore those points, and make your stand on insults.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:21 pm
Insults? Who's been insulted? My we are sensitive.
Exactly what points have been made?
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:36 pm
Don't play ignorant, you know your comment was derisive. Also, one thing you SHOULD realize is that religion cannot possibly stand up to the demands of proper debate. If it could be proved then it would not be religion -- it would be held as fact. There are so many deiscrepencies in the bible from translations, transciptions, or even the initial authors, that it is not a valid source to even prove or disprove itself.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:37 pm
You mean to say god authorized all them rewrites?
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:46 pm
No, the contrary. He knew it would happen, I am sure, but he would also have realized that it would be altered substantially from its initial state in course of time. Especially considering how much people have disagreed with him from the beginning. I mean, the current bible even has several books omitted, just because people decided it wasn't up to par.
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