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Creationism is the claim. What is the evidence?

 
 
Relative
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 01:59 pm
C.I. wrote:
[Qoute]Relative, Are you a scientist? LOL[/Qoute]

Now this is begging for an explanation.

By heart, I am a scientist.
De facto, I am in. software.
De iure, I am nothing.
But that's all Relative.


WHAT THEN IF I AM NOT A SCIENTIST?????
OKAY!!!!!!
?????
Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 03:06 pm
By heart, I'm a great musician. Nobody in this world would mistake me for a musician.
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 04:27 pm
Quote:
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And please don't give me some garbage about the fossil record. Evolution scientists have already admitted this imaginary ancestoral tree, where every plant and creature alive today is at the outter branches and can be traced back inwardly to other branches and so on all the way to the trunk, the first life form, they've admitted this is not what we find in the fossil record. Rather, its more like a bunch of parallel straight lines. Every species is the same from its earliest finding until its extinction. Even though Darwin was convinced the fossil record would be full of transitional forms. Its not. So don't mention the lie, sorry, hypothesis of the fossil record.



I'm wondering as to who these scientists are who said this. Knowing that they are "Evolution" scientist even further makes me wonder. Sounds like lying propoganda to me. However if you provide a link (to obviously a non-Creationist-"Hey look this scientist denies evolution; he's right" site) I will retract what I said and your argument will only be further strengthened. I also ask that this "scientist" not be some college student or "Aliens killed Dinosaurs" type guy wanting himself on the front of a newspaper.


Starman, not to be rude, but I am stilling waiting for a response.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 04:29 pm
Me, too!
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SCoates
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 05:16 pm
Starman is a silly one, isn't he?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 05:50 pm
Starman wrote:
But this evolution stuff justs leads to communism and enourages comments such as these from racist Hitler:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world."

I think this is very dangerous.


Are you f@cking serious? Do you really believe that steaming pile of crap written above? Please tell me your joking.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 08:23 pm
Not for the thinking mind -- in an asylum.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 09:04 pm
truth
Is anyone here really taking Starman seriously?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 5 Mar, 2004 09:05 pm
Good q, JLN. Wink
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 6 Mar, 2004 06:54 am
Re: truth
JLNobody wrote:
Is anyone here really taking Starman seriously?


When I read trash like that, I'm genuinely interested to know whether the person is for real!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 6 Mar, 2004 09:31 am
Or beyond adolescence?
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Sat 6 Mar, 2004 03:14 pm
I'm an adolescent but even I dont say the stupid things he does.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2004 10:30 am
You are to be commended. If there were more young people like you the world would begin to grow up.
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Starman
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 03:47 pm
Yes, I guess its time. There's nothing you can do about the past.
I can assure you, the amusement has been all mine.

*man
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Starman
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 03:48 pm
Portal Star wrote:
If you look at "creation scientists*," sure. But evolutionary theory is the basis of modern science, and every class I've had (botany, biology, oceanography) is supportive of evolution studies.
Portal Star wrote:
Try reading somthing that has nothing to do with confirming your beliefs - it will do you good.


IZL may be the biggest J_rk, but no one makes me want to puke as much as you do.
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Starman
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 03:50 pm
patiodog wrote:
Did somebody say fossil record?

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The trail of whale evolution begins in Paleocene time, about 60 mya, with a group of even-toed, hoofed, trotting, scavenging carnivorous mammals called mesonychians. The first whales (pakicetids) are known from lower Eocene rocks, that formed about 51 mya; the pakicetids are so similar to mesonychians that some were misidentified as belonging to that group. However, the teeth of pakicetids are more like those of whales from middle Eocene rocks, about 45 mya, than they are like the teeth of mesonychians. Pakicetids are found in nonmarine rocks and it is not clear how aquatic they were.


In 1994, Ambulocetus natans, whose name means "walking whale that swims," was described from middle Eocene rocks of Pakistan. This species provides fossil evidence of the origin of aquatic locomotion in whales. Ambulocetus preserves large forelimbs and hind limbs with large hands and feet, and the toes have hooves as in mesonychians. Ambulocetus is regarded as having webbing between the toes and it could walk on land as well as swim; thus, it lived both in and out of the water.


From late Eocene time onward, evolution in whales shows reduction of the hind-limbs, modification of the forelimbs and hands into flippers for steering, development of a massive tail, etc.; all of these changes are modifications for the powerful swimming of modern whales. The fossil Rodhocetus from the upper Eocene rocks, about 38 mya, of Pakistan already shows some of these modifications.


http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/examplesofevolution.html
Edit (Moderator): Do not post links to your site
IronLionZion wrote:
you have ended the evolutionary debate ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD


Anyway, this whale thing is just a bunch of paleobabble like all the rest has been. But wait, the best is yet to come…………………………………………………………….


"…where the wind won't blow,
really shouldn't go,
it only goes to show…"
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Thunder Cloud
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 07:30 pm
Proof that God created everything? Why is it important? After all, the book of Genesis is a written account of events as seen from the eyes of the children of Israel. Why does it need be taken so literally?

Darwin himself admitted that his theory was no more than that. Theory.
The important thing to take into account is that God created (or birthed) humankind in his and the Angels image. Which means that humans were not equal to pre-adamite Angels in the sense that humans are not the epitomy of themselves and are very much in an accursed bodily state. The proof? Careful that it doesn't hit you in the face. The Bible demonstrates a good deal of human history without all the pretty and gratifying paint that people naturally tend to put on their history. So take a good look at human history and say to yourself that humans have been perfectly logical and un-inebriated in their history. You cannot rationally and honestly say that if you are of mostly sound mind.

So hence the problem of what to do about becomming the divine beings that the original ancestors (creators led by God) intended? If humans have forgotten their ancestors and think themselves the epitomy of themselves, no one could then deny the anger of the great great great ancestor himself for this.

And what if ones spirit returns through the seed of ones decendents every 2,000 years? The Egyptians knew. One can imagine that those who once lived longer lifespans might have more easily known. Who could begin to imagine a returned spirit of most ancient times and the way they might perceive themselves and others? Who could begin to imagine what it would be like to be Jesus or even God himself?
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SCoates
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 07:42 pm
Jim Carry knows what it's like. I knew what it was like for a while, but it was during one of those times when I was half asleep and half awake, and I went back to sleep thinking I would remember in the morning. I should have written it down. The same thing happened to me once when I thought of a mathematical equation to prove infinity and define it in easily understandable terms. It wasn't until later when I was doing my math homework, that I realized I had let it slip away. I tried to remember but it was to late.
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Defender
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 08:09 pm
Has anyone read Starman's link?

Edit (Moderator): Link removed

I don't see anything about whales.
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Defender
 
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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2004 08:19 pm
I was wondering what he meant by, "the best is yet to come......."

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

I'll turn up a 12 oz. to that.
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