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Creationism is the claim. What is the evidence?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:26 pm
SCoates, That's the reason I mention 'micah' by name. Him and his ilk still do not understand "it."
The article written by a PhD on his link tries to make the case that evolution cannot be proven.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:45 pm
I still remember when I was like 12 or so there was a lesson in church, where the teacher took a pen apart; the ink tube, the case, and the two ends you screw on. Then she put them all in a bag, and shook it up, and asked, "Now what are the chances that all the parts of this pen would just happen to fall together on their own?" All the kids said never, but I said "Sure they would, if you shook it for billions of years." I think I ruined her object lesson that day.
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Starman
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:01 pm
IronLionZion wrote:

evolution


IronLionZion wrote:

makes no sense


IronLionZion wrote:

suggest


IronLionZion wrote:

further research.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:12 pm
I love that. Because I can relate. I can't stand being misquoted.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:31 pm
Starman, Welcome to A2K.
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Starman
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:32 pm
Galapagos Islands????
Galapagos Islands????
Tell me someone did not just say, Galapagos Islands!!

I'm new to this site, so let's clear this up real quick - just because evolutionists found the need to redefine 'evolution' several times the last 100 years, let's not get confused here. Even Darwin knew the slow gradual processes he refered to were the mechanism by which TRUE evolution comes about. So let's get rid of the conveniently created "micro-evolution" from the start. We all know what Darwin and al the rest of us are talking about - species turning into another species.
And please don't give me some garbage about the fossil record. Evolution scientists have already admitted this imaginary ancestoral tree, where every plant and creature alive today is at the outter branches and can be traced back inwardly to other branches and so on all the way to the trunk, the first life form, they've admitted this is not what we find in the fossil record. Rather, its more like a bunch of parallel straight lines. Every species is the same from its earliest finding until its extinction. Even though Darwin was convinced the fossil record would be full of transitional forms. Its not. So don't mention the lie, sorry, hypothesis of the fossil record.

So now that that's all cleared up, someone tell me what's this proof of evolution I've been told? Please give me the facts.

Addressing the title of this thread is easy, its like when I don't know the answer to the multi choice question - I use deductive reasoning and eliminate what I know it is not. I can't prove creation, but the more evoltuionary theory trips over itself, redefines itself, and becomes more laughable- then 20 years from now we won't even have to discuss this.
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Starman
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:37 pm
Thanks for the welcomes.
I'll probably just blaze through like a Texas Twister - but its just evolution I've come to hate, not people.

And I won't do the MIS-quote thing again - I just hate that thing too.


*Man
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:04 pm
You hate evolution because it damages your neat little package.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:07 pm
Evolution is the UPS of religion.
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Starman
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:32 pm
I just hate lies.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:38 pm
Then you must love GWBush. Wink
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:40 pm
Ouch. George Bush has NEVER lied EVER to ANYONE OR THING. You must be mad. Stark looney mad. I've decided that you're mad. I dare you site even ONE instance of him lying to anyone... ever.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:48 pm
Starman wrote:
Galapagos Islands????
Galapagos Islands????
Tell me someone did not just say, Galapagos Islands!!

I'm new to this site, so let's clear this up real quick - just because evolutionists found the need to redefine 'evolution' several times the last 100 years, let's not get confused here. Even Darwin knew the slow gradual processes he refered to were the mechanism by which TRUE evolution comes about. So let's get rid of the conveniently created "micro-evolution" from the start. We all know what Darwin and al the rest of us are talking about - species turning into another species.
And please don't give me some garbage about the fossil record. Evolution scientists have already admitted this imaginary ancestoral tree, where every plant and creature alive today is at the outter branches and can be traced back inwardly to other branches and so on all the way to the trunk, the first life form, they've admitted this is not what we find in the fossil record. Rather, its more like a bunch of parallel straight lines. Every species is the same from its earliest finding until its extinction. Even though Darwin was convinced the fossil record would be full of transitional forms. Its not. So don't mention the lie, sorry, hypothesis of the fossil record.

So now that that's all cleared up, someone tell me what's this proof of evolution I've been told? Please give me the facts.


The ramble quoted above would be better if a) it made sense, b) you learned how to write. Are you implying that it scientific theories are discredited when they are refined to better reflect the data? Are you implying Darwin should have completed the evolutionary narrative by himself on the first try? Or what?

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Addressing the title of this thread is easy, its like when I don't know the answer to the multi choice question - I use deductive reasoning and eliminate what I know it is not. I can't prove creation, but the more evoltuionary theory trips over itself, redefines itself, and becomes more laughable- then 20 years from now we won't even have to discuss this.


Even if we assume evolution is full of holes - which it is not - it is absolutely farcical to make the retarded leap of logic you just made.

Clearly, the only logical explanation is that a magical homophobic egotist created us as receptacles for his greatness, flooded the entire world when we upset him, made his son into a human sacrfice to save us all from his own self-decreed law, instigated the creation of the Bible, and then forgot to tell us what parts of the good book should be taken literally and what parts are glorified childrens stories.

Please.

Even if we assume evolution is false, that in no way supports the Christian fairy tale of creation. In fact, as has been stated several times, evolution does not have anything to do with the creation of the first life form - that field is called abiogenises and it has yielded no firm results.

I would like to talk further, but please, come back with something better than 'the evolutionary narrative has not yet been completed, ergo, an omnipotent magician created us.' As it stands now, you're not worth wasting my time.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 11:54 pm
I love that last post, Iron. But couldn't you have gone easy on the new guy?
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:03 am
SCoates wrote:
I love that last post, Iron. But couldn't you have gone easy on the new guy?


Cavalierly linking a few incoherant statements together, then sitting back and implying that you have ended the evolutionary debate ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD is the hieght of deluded hubris. So I amused myself at his expense. Sue me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:10 am
ILZ, I couldn't explain it any better myself - and thanks! LOL
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:12 am
SCoates wrote:
I don't see anything to support his arguments. I'm sure the meaning was argued since as soon as the bible began to be compiled. Their decision then was based on as much fact as ours now..In other words none.

That is a very strange statement. IMHO at the time that the Genesis was written six days for creation by a super being probably seemed reasonable. There was no knowledge of the vastness of the universe with billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars and seperated by billions of light years. They did not know about fossil records and other evidence of the age of the earth.
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Also, the verse in exodus does nothing to prove it was literal. The sabbath day was symbolism. It was meant to REMIND them of how god rested, not to be exactly the same length of time as that rest.
Yes it is symbolism, but look at it again.
"11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
I would call it direct symbolism.
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Anyway, I doubt we will eventually agree on this point, so let's move on to the next flaw.

That would appear to be the case. What is your opinion about the teaching of creationism in the public school system?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:26 am
SCoates wrote:
Ouch. George Bush has NEVER lied EVER to ANYONE OR THING. You must be mad. Stark looney mad. I've decided that you're mad. I dare you site even ONE instance of him lying to anyone... ever.

"I'm a uniter not a divider." Shocked
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Starman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:33 am
IronLiar,

When, by your own definition, you're just an overgrown baboon the hate really bursts out like that...don't worry, I totally understand and expected it. There's one of you -ot more- in every forum. Something from childhood I'm sure. Why didn't you just aks me to catch up on the thread from the beginning, rather than this regurgitation?

I already told you, I use deductive reasoning. I CAN NOT PROVE CREATION OR G-D. But ruling out evolution of species is easy for me.

So - where's your proof?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:43 am
SCoates wrote:
Ouch. George Bush has NEVER lied EVER to ANYONE OR THING. You must be mad. Stark looney mad. I've decided that you're mad. I dare you site even ONE instance of him lying to anyone... ever.
Shocked
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