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Proof the universe doesn't exist?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 12:04 pm
@Edward Fenel,
It's not his imagination; it's the reality of this world. Unless one inherits wealth, hard work is the only way to be successful.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 12:57 pm
@Edward Fenel,
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What makes you believe that is not what you are currently doing?
Because I'm observant and honest enough to know that I couldn't have done this. If I thought there was even a tiny chance that I had, I'm egocentric enough that I would acknowledge it.
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 02:35 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Because I'm observant and honest enough to know that I couldn't have done this.

What part of "You choose to forget that you created everything and how to control." you don't understand?
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 02:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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It's not his imagination; it's the reality of this world.

What part of "it would feel totally real." you don't understand?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 02:59 pm
@Edward Fenel,
What makes you believe this? You wrote, "The OP is correct, the Universe taken in its entireness is Nothing, or simply isn't."

We understand what you said. Do you?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 03:10 pm
@Edward Fenel,
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What part of "You choose to forget that you created everything and how to control." you don't understand?
That's one reason I know I didn't do it. I would NEVER choose to forget anything, not even my most painful memory.
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 04:10 pm
@Leadfoot,
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I would NEVER choose to forget anything

"Leadfoot" is right, "Leadfoot" would never choose to forget anything.

In fact, the real you (which is the real me too) chose to experience how it feels like to be "Leadfoot" : someone who would never choose to forget anything.

Don't you see that whatever you write or say, this is not in contradiction with the idea? If the Universe chose to imagine itself as "Leadfoot" saying what "Leadfoot" is saying and thinking what "Leadfoot" is thinking and believing what "Leadfoot" is believing, then so be it. No contradiction


It's so simple. You are pretending not to understand, right?
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Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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What makes you believe this? You wrote, "The OP is correct, the Universe taken in its entireness is Nothing, or simply isn't."

We understand what you said. Do you?

I already explained why I believe the Universe in its entireness is Everything, and Everything and Nothing are interchangeable words.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 04:18 pm
@Edward Fenel,
Is your favorite movie ' Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind'?
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 04:38 pm
@Leadfoot,
I tried to see it but stopped half way and never finished it. Didn't like it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 05:29 pm
@Edward Fenel,
"Everything and Nothing" are not interchangeable words. They are opposites.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 05:34 pm
@Edward Fenel,
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Didn't like it.
I just thought the idea of erasing memories would appeal to you.
So many world views require it. My 3rd ex was very big on reincarnation and forgetting past lives. Although she had vivid memories of being an Egyptian Queen and wanted to be treated as such :-)
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sun 3 Apr, 2016 06:27 pm
@Edward Fenel,
You must be smoking some pretty heavy stuff there Ed, you're not making any realistic sense to me...
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 03:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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"Everything and Nothing" are not interchangeable words. They are opposites.


No, they are not opposite, because they are not.
It is kind of asking the opposite of zero. It's zero.

The only difference is from where you reach zero. If you reach zero from the left, or from the right.

Same here Everything and Nothing are the same.
But you reach Everything by considering more and more things. Whereas you reach nothing by considering less and less things.

in fact, it would make more sense to talk about plus infinity and minus infinity.
They are both the same.
Imagine a circle with infinite radius, it is basically a straight line.
On the left you have minus infinity, on the right you have plus infinity. But on a circle, the left eventually meet the right.

Now, because the circle has an infinite radius, it never actually happens, because infinity is not a number. The same way "Everything" or "Nothing" is not a thing.

Keeping that in mind, you can say +infinity and -infinity are the same infinity, the only difference is from where you reach it (but you never reach it)

Everything and Nothing are the same "no-thing". We have 2 different words because we can reach it from 2 different directions. But they both refer to the same no-thing.
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Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 03:58 pm
@Leadfoot,
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My 3rd ex was very big on reincarnation and forgetting past lives

Can you imagine what would happen, if you remembered you previous life as a 12 years old sex-slave girl, eventually raped to death after your family got murdered. And if you knew the names of the descendants of that person?

Would you invest your attentions and thoughts fully on the present life?

Don't we already struggle enough to live in the present moment, instead of thinking of our past, not to make it even worse with previous life horrors?

The same would apply if you remembered your past life as a Emperor with all the pleasures it involved. What a **** life you would be having now, waking up every morning at 6am to go to work. And with only one girlfriend.

What if you were the one who did horrible things, would you be able to forgive yourself and start over? Just to give you a chance to do something else, instead of being stuck in a loop?
Starting over... anew.

What is the point if we don't remember? Don't worry about it, you will. Most of the "time" you do remember. But now is not what you are here for.
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 04:06 pm
@Amoh5,
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You must be smoking some pretty heavy stuff there Ed, you're not making any realistic sense to me...

It's ok, please copy paste a statement that you think is False, or that you simply don't understand.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 05:11 pm
@Edward Fenel,
I was tempted to ask you if you think you have magic powers so I could determine whether you've lost your marbles or not.
But I think you are seriously confused with differentiating the words "thinking" and "imagining."
Thinking is making rationale judgements or calculations about things. Imagining is more like fantasizing, or generating unrealistic pictures in one's head.
I would hardly call "going to work to earn a living" an imanginary motivation, it is an essential motivation...
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2016 07:49 pm
@Edward Fenel,
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Leadfoot Quote:
"My 3rd ex was very big on reincarnation and forgetting past lives"


Can you imagine what would happen, if you remembered you previous life as a 12 years old sex-slave girl, eventually raped to death after your family got murdered. And if you knew the names of the descendants of that person?
Would you like my ex wife's number? She could tell you, she remembered quite a few..
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 11:12 am
@Leadfoot,
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Would you like my ex wife's number? She could tell you, she remembered quite a few..

Did it help her in her current life?
Edward Fenel
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2016 11:18 am
@Amoh5,
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I was tempted to ask you if you think you have magic powers so I could determine whether you've lost your marbles or not.

The quick answer is yes.

First, remember no scientist can explain gravity (among other things).
A formula allows to perform predictions. To be able to predict, does not mean to explain. The best scientist will always tell you physics does not explain anything. It simply uses models to predict observations.
From that perspective, gravity is magic.

Second, have you ever tried telekinesis? Seriously, for more than a couple of hours?

No..?


No..? Smile

What are you talking about exactly. Are you basing your own knowledge, on what others told you or wrote in books?


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Thinking is making rationale judgements or calculations about things.
Prove it, be logical, and copy paste a statement I wrote that you think is False. Any discussion is useless otherwise.
I answer you questions, answer mines.
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