Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

That's a far cry from the amount FF showed.

And you've only got the shooter's word that they weren't killing for kicks and then making it look like a robbery afterwards.

There are 1,801,540 legally owned guns in England and Wales, outside the police and the forces ... ( The rate for England and Wales is 3,287 per 100,000 inhabitants)

(but the latter includes the illegally used by criminals via the illegal dark net)

We have a Parliament which is not hamstrung by any constitution.

We don't need vetoes by a House, a Senate, a President or a Supreme Court or 2/3rds majorities.

All I know of this "darknet" is what has been posted in this thread, but I'd be surprised if it was illegal (at least in the US).

No, Spendy is right, we are universally unarmed out of choice.

BillRM wrote:

Thank god repeat thank god for our founders to say the least this is sad.

It sure is. I bet you're itching to do some freedom fighting in Syria except for you being an armchair tough guy.

you, with your history of violence towards women, and refusal to come to terms with reality

Delusional again. We have ensured the safety of our children. We're far freer than you'll ever be, our MPs are accountable to us. Your Congressmen/Senators are accountable to big business.

Not all of us in the USA enjoy being targets. The current culture is against us. As Robert pointed out on a different thread, it is something that will have to phase out on its own, as attitudes slowly change. In short - Not in my lifetime.

Well, if you are happy with your lack of freedom, then I guess you have a lot to be happy about.

But Americans will never accept not being free. So don't expect us to give up our freedom too.

I was listeninmg to Ben STein thiw AM and he was spewing the right hand view that gun contyrol doesnt stop gun deaths. Of course he had no other idea in his pointy head.

Why don't you accept the evidence that our country has a far lower homicide rate than yours, and the main reason for that is gun control.

The figures speak for themselves, and you can dig up as much anecdotal evidence as you want. Significantly more people are victims of gun crime in America than in Britain.

You can go on about how you're freer than we are, but we know that's bullshit

Next year, my daughter will be spending a couple of weeks on holiday in Florida followed by a year's study in China, and I'm far more concerned about the fortnight in Florida than the year in China.

Because of how we had been treated by the crown, and because at that time there really was no standing army in this country, and because firearms were needed for survival, the framers of the constitution included the second amendment.

IMHO, part of the reason that the "gun culture" never began in England is because there was never a reason to. There was never a need to defend yourself against hostile invasions or against Indian attack, there was never the "westward expansion" that there was here in the US, there was never a serious need to hunt for food (at least not in the great prairies like we have here), in short England was already "civilised", while the US was still growing and expanding.

"Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam
And the deer and the antelope play...."

....but it won't be in the USA because they've all got guns and they like to shoot at anything that moves.

I read that at the beginning of the hunting season, some farmers paint the word "COW" on their cattle to deter the trigger-happy.

England did once have some of those problems. First the Romans invaded and conquered them. Then after Rome collapsed, various Germanic tribes (Anglos, Saxons, etc) invaded and conquered them. Then more Germanic tribes (Normans) invaded and conquered the earlier Germanic tribes. Then more Germanic tribes (Vikings) invaded and pillaged.

King Henry Plantagenet set up a system of militia in 1181 with his Assize of Arms. Our own militia system was descended from that.

Some centuries later there was a bit of a squabble over Catholicism, and the result was the creation of the 1689 English Bill of Rights. Our own right to carry guns in public is descended from that.

Still on with the "freedom" shite.

It must give a great sense of freedom knowing that anyone you happen to meet might be carrying a gun.

And after the shooting of Sen Gifford, sales of handguns spiked. That's fear and paranoia, not "freedom".

Well, if you are happy with your lack of freedom, then I guess you have a lot to be happy about.

But Americans will never accept not being free. So don't expect us to give up our freedom too.

Still on with the "freedom" shite.

It must give a great sense of freedom
knowing that anyone you happen to meet might be carrying a gun.

And after the shooting of Sen Gifford, sales of handguns spiked.
That's fear and paranoia, not "freedom".