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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:14 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Oh.. so Obama tried to ban conceal and carry by NOT introducing any legislation to do so.
The point is that it is a question of strategic waiting.

Hitler did not begin killing Jews in the first 1O minutes of his taking office,
but he DID get around to it. Get the idea ??





David
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:20 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Oh.. so Obama tried to ban conceal and carry by NOT introducing any legislation to do so.


You must really want to hide the truth to twist my words so egregiously.

But no amount of twisting can change the reality that Barack Obama called for a federal ban on all civilian concealed carry when he was running for Senate.


Quote:
All of the candidates, except Hynes, said they opposed allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons. Hynes and Chico said states, not the federal government, should regulate the matter.

"I consider this an issue for the states to decide, not the federal government," Chico said.

Obama disagreed. He backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

"National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.

http://web.archive.org/web/20081204033359/www.icadp.org/page236.html
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I 'm looking forward to the 2nd Amendment Foundation 's Gun Rights Policy Conference
in Orlando, Florida beginning on Friday September 28!


That shud be a lot of fun. Alan Gura, Esq is expected to speak.
He was successful in both the cases of D.C. v. HELLER 554 US 290 (2008)
and McDONALD v. CHICAGO, 561 US 3025 (2010)

He said that he is litigating some other significant appeals, sub judice.





David


Gura is the force behind the Woollard case, which will eventually see the Supreme Court forcing all jurisdictions, even big cities, to allow people to carry guns in public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woollard_v._Sheridan


The wiki article says that oral arguments before the appeals court should be around October 23-26.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 04:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That would be modern Frankonia, part of the state of Bavaria (Nürnberg being in administrative region of Middle Franconia).
The Franks came from western Europe (hence: "France"). About 800 they were as far east as the Weser river.

Due to my family name, you can get that my paternal family is Saxon (Dithmar von Hinthlere being the first known on written documents in 1287), originally Bructeri (who became from 500 onwards mainly influenced by the Franks ... and tributary to them).


I just remembered that I never went back and answered your posts about me on the Amanda Knox thread. I refused to answer at the time because it was just before the verdict, but said I'd be willing to discuss "me" on a different date. Answers forthcoming.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 02:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:
Oh.. so Obama tried to ban conceal and carry by NOT introducing any legislation to do so.
The point is that it is a question of strategic waiting.

Hitler did not begin killing Jews in the first 1O minutes of his taking office,
but he DID get around to it. Get the idea ??


I get it, Bush didn't kill Moslems in the first ten minutes of taking office, he was too busy giving tax breaks, sinecures and back handers to his chums for that.

When he did get round to killing Moslems, he did it big time.

oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 05:17 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I get it, Bush didn't kill Moslems in the first ten minutes of taking office, he was too busy giving tax breaks, sinecures and back handers to his chums for that.

When he did get round to killing Moslems, he did it big time.


Always a bad idea to come onto American soil and murder thousands of Americans.

Ask Japan about it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 05:43 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Always a bad idea to come onto American soil and murder thousands of Americans.

Ask Japan about it.


The problem is the one nation we attacked had zero to do with it.

It would be as if after the Pearl Harbor attack we attacked Korea as they look kind of similar to the Japanese so what the hell.

oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 06:14 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Always a bad idea to come onto American soil and murder thousands of Americans.

Ask Japan about it.


The problem is the one nation we attacked had zero to do with it.

It would be as if after the Pearl Harbor attack we attacked Korea as they look kind of similar to the Japanese so what the hell.


We attacked Afghanistan as well as Iraq.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 06:20 am
@oralloy,
True we attacked one nation out of two that had something to do with 911.

Fifty percents being right is not all that good.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 06:30 am
@BillRM,
Oh and of course the nation who citizens was the vast majority of the 911 attackers we are still good friends with and we even got members of Bin Laden family out of the country on a private jet right after the attack when all other non-military planes was grounded.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 07:54 am
@BillRM,
The thing is Bill, I think you're just starting to realise how monumentally stupid and simplistic Oralboy is. Having someone like that on the same side as the argument as you, damages your cause.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 08:19 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
It would be as if after the Pearl Harbor attack we attacked Korea as they look kind of similar to the Japanese so what the hell.


Sheesh!! And they say I'm cynical.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 12:51 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
True we attacked one nation out of two that had something to do with 911.

Fifty percents being right is not all that good.


Saddam just had the misfortune of being in our way.

But Iraq is free and democratic now because of it, so it was good luck for the Iraqis themselves.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 12:55 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Oh and of course the nation who citizens was the vast majority of the 911 attackers we are still good friends with


That's because that country is our ally, and is also the enemy of al-Qa'ida.



BillRM wrote:
and we even got members of Bin Laden family out of the country on a private jet right after the attack when all other non-military planes was grounded.


That is incorrect. They only left after US airspace reopened to the public. And everyone on the jet was interviewed by the FBI before leaving.

The Ibn Ladn family are also our friends, and they were Osama's enemy when he was still alive (they had disowned him).
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 12:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzytheNazi wrote:
how monumentally stupid and simplistic


You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own stupidity and simplicity.



izzytheNazi wrote:
Oralboy


Your name-calling does nothing to compensate for your lack of intelligence.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 01:18 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That is incorrect. They only left after US airspace reopened to the public. And everyone on the jet was interviewed by the FBI before leaving.

The Ibn Ladn family are also our friends, and they were Osama's enemy when he was still alive (they had disowned him).


Wrong on 2.70 counts..............
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 01:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Wrong on 2.70 counts..............


2.7????

What parts do you contend I am wrong about?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 02:33 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
But Iraq is free and democratic now


You got to be kidding me free and democratic..................indeed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 02:58 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That is incorrect. They only left after US airspace reopened to the public


Quote:
The Ibn Ladn family are also our friends, and they were Osama's enemy when he was still alive (they had disowned him).


After the family "disown' him in fact for years after that event they had ongoing finance tieds with him.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a97familymoney#a97familymoney

After a complete air flight ban in the US began during the 9/11 attacks, some commercial flights begin resuming this day. However, all private flights are still banned from flying. Nonetheless, at least one private flight carrying Saudi royalty takes place on this day. And in subsequent days, other flights carry royalty and bin Laden family members. These flights take place even as fighters escort down three other private planes attempting to fly. Most of the Saudi royals and bin Ladens in the US at the time are high school or college students and young professionals. [New York Times, 9/30/2001; Vanity Fair, 10/2003] The first flight is a Lear Jet that leaves from a private Raytheon hangar in Tampa, Florida, and takes three Saudis to Lexington, Kentucky. [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/2001] This flight apparently takes place several hours after a private meeting between President Bush and Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US. Some think the idea of the flights were approved at that meeting (see September 13, 2001). For two years, this violation of the air ban is denied by the FAA, FBI, and White House, and decried as an urban legend except for one article detailing them in a Tampa newspaper. [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/2001] Finally, in 2003, counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke confirms the existence of these flights, and Secretary of State Powell confirms them as well. [MSNBC, 9/7/2003; Vanity Fair, 10/2003] However, the White House remains silent on the matter. [New York Times, 9/4/2003] Officials at the Tampa International Airport finally confirm this first flight in 2004. But whether the flight violated the air ban or not rests on some technicalities that remain unresolved. [Lexington Herald-Leader, 6/10/2004] The Saudis are evacuated to Saudi Arabia over the next several days (see September 14-19, 2001).
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2012 03:21 pm
@BillRM,
Sorry I did not post this in my posting above to show an example of the family having ongoing ties with him long after publicly disowning him.

Same link as above.

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In 2004, Osama bin Laden’s half brother Yeslam Binladin admits that he and other bin Laden family members share a Swiss bank account with Osama bin Laden from 1990 until 1997. The account was opened by brothers Omar and Heidar bin Laden in 1990 with an initial deposit of $450,000. By 1997, only two people are authorized to conduct transactions on the account: brothers Osama and Yeslam bin Laden. The bin Laden family claims to have disowned Osama bin Laden in 1994 (see Shortly After April 9, 1994), and the US government officially designated him as a financier of terrorism in 1996. Yeslam had previously denied any financial dealings with Osama at this late date until evidence of this bank account was uncovered by French private investigator Jean-Charles Brisard. In December 2001, French authorities will open an investigation into the financial dealings of the Saudi Investment Company (SICO) run by Yeslam Binladin. [Agence France-Presse, 7/26/2004; Scotsma
 

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