Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

Nonsense. I have been a Life Member of the NRA for about 5O years
and I feel no "paranoia". I am confident that no one has ever
had any interest in spying on me, nor in following me
(except, very briefly, qua a couple of robbers, who shot at me).
However, I am aware, from confessions n candid admissions,
that there r liberals who detest American freedom of self defense,
e.g. Sen. Diane Feinstein, who admitted it on national television.






It is good to emphasize the evil
(i.e., laws to discriminate against some victims of future violent crime)
that has been sought to be perpetrated by liberals,
the subversion of our Individual rights, using mendacity
and deception against those rights.

It is ironic (touching the weird??) that the USSC has been aggressive
in fighting against discrimination qua seating on a bus for a few minutes,
but not in regard to discrimination in regard to who is free to defend his life
from the predatory violence of man or beast. The essence of licensure is discrimination,
the DENIAL of equality. It is holding that a jeweler's life is worth MORE
than a shoeshine boy 's life. That's not fair.






I have been extremely STINGY
in willingness to condone USURPATIONS of power by governments.
I join with Barry Goldwater in his observation that:
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!"

I also admire and adopt his reasoning that:
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient,
for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare,
for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.
It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution,
or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden.
I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined
whether it is constitutionally permissible and if I should later be attacked for neglecting
my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty
and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
[All emfasis has been added by David.] The Conscience of a Conservative,
Barry Goldwater Victor Publishing Co. 1960

If I found Aladin's Lamp, I 'd have his genie restore
the legal status quo ante in America as of 1900
and I 'd use it to reach back to 1787 to convince the Founders
to create 3 houses of Congress. No bill qua domestic jurisdiction
coud be enacted without approval by a 3/4 vote of all members
of the House of Representatives and of the Senate; a third house
of Congress 'd have the sole mission of rejecting and nullifying
bills enacted by the first 2 other houses, and nullification of those bills
coud be accomplished by only a 30% vote of members present,
this concept on the theory that no bill shud be enacted unless
it was good enuf to pass those requirements. (Credit to Robert Heinlein
for those ideas: The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress G. P. Putnam's Sons 1966)

I am not an anarchist, but I love to cuddle up to it as closely as I can.
I plight my troth with Vanderbilt, who reputedly said:
"Let the public be damned! I 'm running this railroad to make a profit."
Thay shud put that on every dollar bill, for inspirational purposes!







That allegation is false.
I am aware of no imminent danger; accordingly, I raise NO alarm.






That sounds horribly un-free.
England was once free, before around 1920.
Maybe it was the Germans who ruined it for u.





Free from WHAT?????????
FREEDOM means immune from the interference of government.
THAT is what I salute, when thay raise the flag: the incapcities of government.
( Its like chaining down the Frankenstein monster to his slab in the Lab.)






I pay for the dissemination of pro-freedom information.
I am in frequent contact with my representatives, asserting pro-freedom demands.
Thay have been either extremely diplomatic, or fully accomodating.

I guess u mean ME, but I have not paid for brainwashing.
I believe that can only be accomplished upon a prisoner, who cannot escape.







Izzy, it saddens me
that I 've given u the impression
that I am too stupid to generate ORIGINAL thought.

I don't have a mentor, your allegation
(hereinabove set forth) to the contrary notwithstanding.
The closest I 've ever come to having a mentor was my mom,
who voted for Roosevelt 4 times, before I convinced her
to vote for Barry Goldwater.

Most of what I have posted is the product of my own reasoning,
other than the quoted material. I 'll take the blame or the credit.
In America, if Martha Stewart strolled to the corner flowershop,
and if she used a gun to defend herself from ambient rapists,
she 'd be open to criminal liablity as "a felon in possession of a firearm".
That legal (tho obviously unConstitutional) state of affairs
is ******* her out of her Constitutional rights to keep and bear arms
and to USE them defensively, on an "equal protection" basis
OR
to put the point another way:
it 'd be government raping her out of her Constitutional rights.
I ratify, re-iterate and re-affirm what I said b4, in the fullness of candor.





David

Sorry but my reading of history books had cause that concern not the NRA who platform is not of interest to me.

Now once more how are so call assault rifles any difference/more deadly then others rifles not label assault rifles that would call for their banning?

Seem a straight forward question Firefly...........

Take note Firefly that the man in the evil SWAT outfitand assault rifle killed a fraction of the men women and children that was kill by a good old boy with a truck load of fertilizer and oil.

Then we had a groups of men arm with box cutters that kill thousands.

Guns are not needed or even the best tools for doing mass murders.

The same catholic church who have a river of human blood on their conscious down through the ages?

We can affect the odds of our survival.
Defensive measures can be taken.
It worked for me.
From heart attacks, u can carry aspirin.
From robberies, u can carry guns.
Body armor is too cumbersome.



Do u wish to offer evidence
in support of your position?



HOW does that happen?
Tell us about the effects of belief upon the phenomenal world.
R u invoking quantum mechanics ??





Your premise is flawed,
in that I very, very seldom feel vulnerable. The last time I felt vulnerable,
I was getting rejected from asking a beautiful chick for a date.
When someone shot at me (within about 3 inches in front of my face)
I was not feeling vulnerable; I was busy feeling curious qua something
for which I had been searching. The alleged "felt vulnerability" was not IN my mind. Your premise is flawed.





Lemme get this straight:
u wanna turn this thread to analysis of the relationship
between epistomology and metaphysics?????



That 's not my problem,
so long as he does not shout at ME.





David

But they are the most easily obtainable weapons for mass murders, and the weapons most frequently used in mass murders.

And this thread is about mass murder, and not your love of guns, or your endless need to talk about guns.

Today's latest shooting...

Yes. The difference between deaths from guns in the US and in the UK and our gun deaths being illegal, in the main, and your's being routine.

There's another tonight I gather. 3 dead.

Oh one drunk went home after getting kicked out of a after hour club in NYC and returned with a container of gasoline killing somewhere around 39 people if my memory is correct and somehow a can of gasoline and a match seems to be more easily obtainable then a gun.Silly woman guns are not the most easily obtainable weapons/materials that can be used for mass murder.

An given the body count cause be one large home make bomb and a few box cutters guns do not hold the recorder for the numbers kills in mass murder attempts either in the US.

Now at the end of every posting directed at you I am going to ask you how banning so call assault weapons is going to be of any use given that they have no more killing abilities then any other semi-auto rifle that is not so label.

Your gun ban and your video cameras everywhere did not stop some young men from doing mass murder by way of suicide bombs on your subways and buses not that long ago.

As far as guns being use in more attempts at mass murders then other means I never seen a study that back up that claims of your Firefly and if you are going by news reports there seems that killings that involve firearms with special note of so call assault weapons get one hell of a lot more coverage then killing mass or otherwise by other means.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

Then we had the interesting case of mass murder/suicide by poisoning not in the US but involving US citizens including 200 children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown.

Jonestown was the informal name for the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project, an intentional community in northwestern Guyana formed by the Peoples Temple led by Jim Jones. It became internationally notorious when, on November 18, 1978, 918 people died in the settlement as well as in a nearby airstrip and in Georgetown, Guyana's capital. The name of the settlement became synonymous with the incidents at those locations.

A total of 909 Temple members died in Jonestown, all but two from apparent cyanide poisoning, in an event termed "revolutionary suicide" by Jones and some members on an audio tape of the event and in prior discussions. This includes over 200 murdered children. The poisonings in Jonestown followed the murder of five others by Temple members at a nearby Port Kaituma airstrip. The victims included United States Congressman Leo Ryan. Four other Temple members died in Georgetown at Jones's command.

To the extent the actions in Jonestown were viewed as a mass murder, it was the largest such event in modern history and resulted in the largest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the events of September 11, 2001.[1]

Then we had the 'fun" case of the Philadelphia police dropping a bomb on a townhouse by way of a helicopter killing 11 people including 5 children and destroying 60 homes.

No firearm used just a helicopter and a bomb but together by the police bomb squad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Firefly human beings seem to have remarkable abilities to find ways of killing strangers if they wish to and once more without firearms as in the case below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tylenol_murders


"The Chicago Tylenol murders occurred when seven people died after taking pain-relief medicine capsules that had been poisoned. The poisonings, code-named TYMURS by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, took place in late 1982 in the Chicago area of the United States.

These poisonings involved Extra-Strength Tylenol capsules, manufactured by McNeil Consumer Healthcare, which had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] The incidents led to reforms in the packaging of over-the-counter substances and to federal anti-tampering laws. The case remains unsolved and no suspects have been charged. A $100,000 reward, offered by Johnson & Johnson, McNeil's parent company, for the capture and conviction of the "Tylenol Killer", has never been claimed.

Contents [hide]
1 The incidents
1.1 Suspects
1.2 Alternative theory
2 Aftermath
3 Ongoing investigations
4 See also
5 References
6 Further reading
7 External links


[edit] The incidentsOn the morning of September 29, 1982, twelve-year-old Mary Kellerman of Elk Grove Village, Illinois, died after taking a capsule of Extra-Strength Tylenol. Adam Janus of Arlington Heights, Illinois, died in the hospital shortly thereafter. Adam's brother Stanley of Lisle, Illinois, and sister-in-law Theresa died after gathering to mourn his death, having taken pills from the same bottle. Soon afterward, Mary McFarland of Elmhurst, Illinois, Paula Prince of Chicago, and Mary Reiner of Winfield, also died in similar incidents.[2][3] Investigators soon discovered the Tylenol link. Urgent warnings were broadcast, and police drove through Chicago neighborhoods issuing warnings over loudspeakers.

As the tampered-with bottles came from different factories, and the seven deaths had all occurred in the Chicago area, the possibility of sabotage during production was ruled out. Instead, the culprit was believed to have entered various supermarkets and drug stores over a period of weeks, removed packages of Tylenol from the shelves, adulterated their contents with solid cyanide compound at another location, and then replaced the bottles. In addition to the five bottles which led to the victims' deaths, three other tampered-with bottles were discovered.

Johnson & Johnson distributed warnings to hospitals and distributors and halted Tylenol production and advertising. On October 5, 1982, it issued a nationwide recall of Tylenol products; an estimated 31 million bottles were in circulation, with a retail value of over US$100 million. The company also advertised in the national media for individuals not to consume any products that contained acetaminophen. When it was determined that only capsules were tampered with, they offered to exchange all Tylenol capsules already purchased by the public with solid tablets.

[edit] SuspectsDuring the initial investigations, a man named James William Lewis sent a letter to Johnson & Johnson demanding $1 million to stop the cyanide-induced murders. Police were unable to link him with the crimes, as he and his wife were living in New York City at the time. He was convicted of extortion, served 13 years of a 20-year sentence, and was released in 1995 on parole. WCVB Channel 5 of Boston reported that court documents, released in early 2009, "show Department of Justice investigators concluded suspect James W. Lewis, who now lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts, was responsible for the poisonings, despite the fact that they did not have enough evidence to charge him." Lewis has denied responsibility for the poisonings for several years.[4][5]

A second man, Roger Arnold, was investigated and cleared of the killings. He had a nervous breakdown due to the media attention, which he blamed on Marty Sinclair, a bar owner. In the summer of 1983, Arnold shot and killed John Stanisha, whom he mistook for Sinclair. Stanisha was an innocent man who did not know Arnold.[6] Arnold was convicted in January 1984 and served 15 years of a 30-year sentence for second-degree murder. He died in June 2008.

Laurie Dann, who poisoned and shot victims in a May 1988 rampage in and around Winnetka, Illinois, was briefly considered as a suspect, but no direct connection was found.[7]

On May 19, 2011, the FBI requested DNA samples from Ted Kaczynski, known as the "Unabomber", as part of its investigation into the killings.[8]

[edit] Alternative theoryIn a book published in 2011,[9] Scott Bartz, a former Johnson & Johnson employee, argues that the poisoned Tylenol was introduced not, as the media reported, in retail stores but in a distributor's warehouse in the Chicago area. He believes that Johnson & Johnson knew this but intentionally suppressed evidence leading to this conclusion.[10]

[edit] AftermathThe media gave Johnson & Johnson much positive coverage for its handling of the crisis; for example, an article in The Washington Post said, "Johnson & Johnson has effectively demonstrated how a major business ought to handle a disaster." The article further stated that "this is no Three Mile Island accident in which the company's response did more damage than the original incident," and applauded the company for being honest with the public.[11] In addition to issuing the recall, the company established relations with the Chicago Police Department, the FBI, and the Food and Drug Administration. This way it could have a part in searching for the person who laced the capsules and they could help prevent further tamperings.[12] While at the time of the scare the company's market share collapsed from thirty-five percent to eight percent, it rebounded in less than a year, a move credited to the company's prompt and aggressive reaction. In November, it reintroduced capsules but in a new, triple-sealed package, coupled with heavy price promotions and within several years, Tylenol had become the most popular over-the-counter analgesic in the U.S.[citation needed]

A number of copycat attacks involving Tylenol and other products (see Stella Nickell for information on the 1986 Excedrin tampering murders) ensued during the following years. One of these incidents occurred in the Chicago area; unlike Tylenol, it actually forced the end of the product affected by the hoax, Encaprin, from Procter & Gamble. The incident inspired the pharmaceutical, food, and consumer product industries to develop tamper-resistant packaging, such as induction seals and improved quality control methods. Moreover, product tampering was made a federal crime.[13]

Additionally, the tragedy prompted the pharmaceutical industry to move away from capsules, which were easy to contaminate as a foreign substance could be placed inside without obvious signs of tampering. Within the year, the FDA introduced more stringent regulations to avoid product tampering. This led to the eventual replacement of the capsule with the solid "caplet", a tablet made in the shape of a capsule, as a drug delivery form and with the addition of tamper-evident safety-seals to bottles of many sorts.[citation needed]

[edit] Ongoing investigationsIn early January 2009, Illinois authorities renewed the investigation. Federal agents searched the home of Lewis in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and seized a number of items.[14] In Chicago, an FBI spokesman declined to comment but said "we'll have something to release later possibly."[15] Law enforcement officials have received a number of tips related to the case coinciding with its anniversary. In a written statement,[16] the FBI explained,

This review was prompted, in part, by the recent 25th anniversary of this crime and the resulting publicity. Further, given the many recent advances in forensic technology, it was only natural that a second look be taken at the case and recovered evidence.

In January 2010, both Lewis and his wife submitted DNA samples and fingerprints to authorities.[5]

Hardly paranoia. It is a reasonable suspicion given your avoidance of his repeated question about assault weapons.






Yes. I am grateful that the NRA protects me from the freedom haters.

I had drifted from voting only for those politicians that are recommended by the NRA, because the threat had seemed diminished. But I shall return to that voting pattern now.






It is neither paranoia nor lunatic fringe to point out what Obama actually intends. I am not familiar with the pictured list, and do not know if it is genuine, but off hand I know that Obama tried for item #2 when he was a US senator, and he tried for item #8 as soon as he stepped into the White House. And regarding item #10, the freedom haters routinely post about how great it would be to pack the courts with judges who hate the Constitution.

The Vatican is aware that our military is capable of dropping a nuclear bomb on them, and will do so if they ever become a threat to our freedom.

Even if we presume for the sake of argument that that is true, so what?

Why is it at all relevant that one method of killing is chosen over some other method?





So long as you post calls for the gross violation of our Constitutional rights, don't be surprised that people respond by speaking out in defense of those rights.

How is "which tool is used to cause a death" at all relevant?

Your obvious relish in discussing various methods of killing people--which has been evident throughout this thread--is really quite bizarre.

But this thread, in particular, is about people being killed by firearms.


And some of those people are dying in horrific massacres, such as the one that provoked this thread, and the one in the Sikh temple which took place since the shooting in the Aurora theater. But those things, and those deaths, don't seem to bother you. Your main interest is only your paronoid fear someone will try to take your guns away, or make it more difficult for you to get more of them, or limit how you might legally carry or use them. What a sad, pathetic, inadequate little man you are.

1. Because this thread is about a shooting--a mass murder--that involved the use of firearms that were quite easily acquired, apparently for the specific purpose of carrying out a masacre.

2. Because the use of firearms appears to be the most frequently used method of commiting mass killings and woundings.

This bears re-posting...


Because this is just about the level of your thinking.



Nothing about your paranoia surprises me, Battyman.