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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 05:43 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

More and more the US government is just a puppet for special interests.

Like the National Rifle Association.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 05:48 pm
@firefly,
Welcome back Firefly and I am happy to see that you had regroup after being pounded for defending the GOP finding ways/excuses to interfere with voters rights of the poor.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 05:58 pm
@BillRM,
The NRA is a strong supporter of those GOP candidates. Like Romney's pick for V.P.--Paul Ryan.
Quote:
Paul Ryan on Gun Control
Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm/


I have no use for either the GOP or the NRA--I've never supported either.



izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:02 pm
@BillRM,
At least Firefly can feel clean. It makes me feel dirty knowing I'm on the same side of the argument as you about something. Spare a thought for the rest of us, it's not only Firefly that you disgust.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:28 pm
@izzythepush,
BillRM is too much of a coward to admit that the NRA is a controlling influence on the GOP, and it's views like his, that are anti-gun control, that are most strongly espoused by the GOP candidates. BillRM is far more interested in his own "gun rights" than in anyone's voting rights.
Quote:
Over the last two decades, Federal Election Commission records show that the NRA has spent almost $49 million on independent campaign expenditures, second only to the Service Employees International Union. And that kind of spending sends a message.

The NRA attacked Sen. Richard G. Lugar, R-Ind., in his primary campaign this year, accusing him of "hostility toward our right to keep and bear arms" based on his support for the assault weapons ban. Lugar lost to a more conservative "tea party" candidate who won the NRA's endorsement.

Like other Republicans, Romney has taken note of the NRA's muscle. The presumptive Republican nominee signed his state-level assault weapons ban in 2004, but as soon as he began contemplating a run for president, he moved to the right. Romney quietly joined the NRA in 2006 and campaigned for the Republican nomination in 2008 as an unbending supporter of gun owners' rights.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/sbt-20120728sbtmicha-05-02-20120728,0,2139295.story



BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:31 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
The NRA is a strong supporter of those GOP candidates. Like Romney's pick for V.P.--Paul Ryan.


So???

I never been a member of the NRA even those I am a very strong supporter of guns rights so who they support or do not support does not matter to me.

I am a member of the ACLU and the EFF and at one time decades ago NOW when the Equal right amendment was up for consideration of the states.

I had written one check for the Zimmerman defense fund and plan to write another such check in the future

I also voted for Obama and plan on doing so in this upcoming election.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:38 pm
@firefly,
LOL it would seems that if someone happen to agree with you on one issue then you are their supporter or have an obligation to be their supporter?

I know there have to be some little bit of logic here Firefly but I do not see it at all and there are one hell of a lot of supporters of gun rights that are not members of the NRA and happen to be democrats.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:38 pm
@BillRM,
The thing is Bill, whenever you say you vote Obama, you do a disservice to left wing politics. You are quite a disgusting individual, so it's no wonder the GOP have refused your endorsement.


Nobody courts the nonce vote.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:46 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

I never been a member of the NRA even those I am a very strong supporter of guns rights...

Whether you are actually a member or not doesn't matter much--you support everything they stand for.

And the NRA overwhelmingly backs the GOP.
Quote:
In the current election cycle, the NRA has made 88 percent of its political donations to Republicans, and 12 percent to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets.org.

It also reported spending $2.9 million on lobbying last year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/21/gun-control_n_1691781.html

Your views on "gun rights" are right out of the NRA playbook. You are a complete hypocrite when you allegedly decry the influence of special interest groups on the government. You fully support the influence of the NRA.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:51 pm
@firefly,
You are strange Firefly as my support of guns rights have nothing to do with anyone else stand on the issue including the NRA and surely it have nothing to do with who the NRA happen to support in the upcoming elections.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 06:53 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You are strange Firefly as my support of guns rights have nothing to do with anyone else stand on the issue including the NRA

Yeah, sure. Laughing Laughing Laughing
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 07:09 pm
@firefly,
Sure dear as I am not the only supporter of the Democrats and Obama that happen to support gun rights.

You are once more strange to try to claimed if you happen to agree with someone or an organization such as the NRA on an issue you must agree with all their actions.

I know you are lacking in logic but even you have to had a little logic to be able to function in society at all.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 07:41 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You are once more strange to try to claimed if you happen to agree with someone or an organization such as the NRA on an issue you must agree with all their actions.

What you support is the NRA's main issue

And the candidates the NRA tries to put into office are the ones they can control on those main issues--gun rights. And those candidates are mainly from the GOP.







firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 07:54 pm
Quote:
Don't get me wrong, the Second Amendment is one of my favorites. In the military, I was an expert marksman who trained foreign militaries in counter-guerilla warfare, and I am an avid gun enthusiast. As a gun owner, I absolutely believe in the right to protect my family from anyone who threatens our safety.

But I also know that when the Second Amendment was passed in 1791, the most lethal weapon was a single-shot musket. Arguing that you need an assault rifle to protect your family is like saying you need a blowtorch to light a cigarette.

Within months of 9/11, new security measures were put in place at airports to ensure the safety of airline travel. In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, new laws were enacted to detect suspected criminals and new security measures were put in place at federal buildings. However, since 1982 we've had 56 incidents of mass killings involving firearms, many of which were semi-automatic handguns and assault rifles. Yet here we stand, 30 years later, no closer to resolution on even the simplest forms of stricter gun control.

Such resolution is blocked at almost every step of the way by the juggernaut that is the National Rifle Association. There are no two cozier bedfellows than the NRA and politicians; if laws controlled guns the way the NRA controls politicians, America would be the safest country in the world.

The NRA makes more than $200 million a year. These earnings, coupled with its 4-million strong membership, has paralyzed any thoughtful discussion of the issue from politicians who are scared to even have an honest debate of where the proper lines should be drawn.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/opinion/garcia-gun-control-failure/index.html

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120801080334-cartoon-nra-story-top.jpg
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 09:22 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The NRA is a strong supporter of those GOP candidates. Like Romney's pick for V.P.--Paul Ryan.


That's because those candidates care about the Constitution and our civil rights.



firefly wrote:
I have no use for either the GOP or the NRA--I've never supported either.


The NRA defends our freedom.

Until the day comes when all the gun control advocates are dragged kicking and screaming off to Guantanamo for some quality waterboarding time, we need the NRA to help protect us.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 09:24 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
BillRM is too much of a coward to admit that the NRA is a controlling influence on the GOP,


Nonsense. That isn't cowardice.

Are you too much of a coward to admit that the NRA is a controlling influence on House Democrats?

It was very nice of Nancy Pelosi to knee Obama in the balls and tell him to keep his grubby hands off our Constitution when, as soon as he entered the White House, he started babbling about passing unconstitutional gun bans.



Quote:
Over the last two decades, Federal Election Commission records show that the NRA has spent almost $49 million on independent campaign expenditures, second only to the Service Employees International Union. And that kind of spending sends a message.


That's nothing compared to the voters who willingly vote for or against any candidate in any race that the NRA asks them to.

All the NRA has to do is flip a switch, and without spending a dime they can have any Congressman in any swing district voted out of office.



Quote:
The NRA attacked Sen. Richard G. Lugar, R-Ind., in his primary campaign this year, accusing him of "hostility toward our right to keep and bear arms" based on his support for the assault weapons ban. Lugar lost to a more conservative "tea party" candidate who won the NRA's endorsement.


Lugar's hatred of our Constitution is truly appalling.

What a horrible person he is.

May he never serve another day in public office.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 09:31 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Your views on "gun rights" are right out of the NRA playbook.


The NRA's "playbook" can be summed up as: support freedom and defend civil rights.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 09:33 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
BillRM wrote:
You are strange Firefly as my support of guns rights have nothing to do with anyone else stand on the issue including the NRA


Yeah, sure. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You are aware that there are other gun rights groups besides the NRA?

Gun Owners of America?

Second Amendment Foundation?

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership?

Ring any bells?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 09:35 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
the candidates the NRA tries to put into office are the ones they can control on those main issues--gun rights. And those candidates are mainly from the GOP.


Perhaps the Democrats should stop nominating candidates who hate the Constitution?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 10:06 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Don't get me wrong, the Second Amendment is one of my favorites. In the military, I was an expert marksman who trained foreign militaries in counter-guerilla warfare, and I am an avid gun enthusiast. As a gun owner, I absolutely believe in the right to protect my family from anyone who threatens our safety.

But I also know that when the Second Amendment was passed in 1791, the most lethal weapon was a single-shot musket. Arguing that you need an assault rifle to protect your family is like saying you need a blowtorch to light a cigarette.


If the author really liked the Second Amendment, they would not be babbling about "need".

If the author really knew guns, they would know that cosmetic features like pistol grips have no impact on a gun's lethality.

I call fake.



Quote:
Within months of 9/11, new security measures were put in place at airports to ensure the safety of airline travel. In the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing, new laws were enacted to detect suspected criminals and new security measures were put in place at federal buildings. However, since 1982 we've had 56 incidents of mass killings involving firearms, many of which were semi-automatic handguns and assault rifles.


Does that make the victims "more dead" than they'd be if they were killed with bombs?



Quote:
Yet here we stand, 30 years later, no closer to resolution on even the simplest forms of stricter gun control.

Such resolution is blocked at almost every step of the way by the juggernaut that is the National Rifle Association. There are no two cozier bedfellows than the NRA and politicians;


It is good that America stands free. We will remain free forever.



Quote:
if laws controlled guns the way the NRA controls politicians, America would be the safest country in the world.


Nope. Gun control does nothing to advance safety. All it does is eliminate freedom and violate rights.



Quote:
The NRA makes more than $200 million a year. These earnings, coupled with its 4-million strong membership, has paralyzed any thoughtful discussion of the issue from politicians who are scared to even have an honest debate of where the proper lines should be drawn.


Apparently the author feels that a discussion is only "thoughtful" if it leads to a civil rights violation at the end.
 

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