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@oralloy,

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The reason they made the militia as strong as possible was because they did not want a standing army.

I think the most likely reason is the cost of a standing army. Most countries have one if they can afford it. The new nation could not.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The reason they made the militia as strong as possible was because they did not want a standing army.

I think the most likely reason is the cost of a standing army. Most countries have one if they can afford it. The new nation could not.

No. The reason was fear of tyranny. A standing army would enforce the orders of a tyrannical government, but the militia was composed of the general populace, and people will not impose tyranny upon themselves.

It's actually not too different from the reasoning behind the original version in the 1689 English Bill of Rights.

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@McTag,

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Most countries have one if they can afford it. The new nation could not.

Sorry it was not cost but it was fear by the founders of having a standing army and then it taking over the government.

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@oralloy,

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The reason was fear of tyranny.

But nowadays, the only tyranny is supplied by the National Rifle Association.

Waiting for the light to dawn.

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@McTag,

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But nowadays, the only tyranny is supplied by the National Rifle Association.

LOL try telling that to all the voters who rights to vote is being interfere with by the GOP that is being justify with one excuse or another.

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@McTag,

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The reason they made the militia as strong as possible
was because they did not want a standing army.

McTag wrote:

I think the most likely reason is the cost of a standing army.

No. Your guessing is incorrect.
From their writings, we know that there was prevalent fear of tyranny
resulting from a standing army, whereas well regulated militia (NOT selected militia)
were the citizens themselves, seen as an instrument of their own liberty.

David

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@McTag,

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The reason was fear of tyranny.

McTag wrote:

But nowadays, the only tyranny is supplied by the National Rifle Association.

Waiting for the light to dawn.

Your exhibited thinking is very disorganized.
Democracy cannot function,
except in the presence of special interest groups
that spy on all governments in America
and alert their respective members to their findings,
who can then call and threaten the politicians with unemployment.

The NRA has promoted Democracy In Action,
holding governments in subjection.

Without special interest groups,
governments woud take over the country.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Without government, special interest groups would take over the country.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The reason was fear of tyranny.

But nowadays, the only tyranny is supplied by the National Rifle Association.
Waiting for the light to dawn.

"Voters organizing to prevent the government from violating their rights" is not tyranny. It it the prevention of tyranny.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

McTag wrote:
But nowadays, the only tyranny is supplied by the National Rifle Association.

LOL try telling that to all the voters who rights to vote is being interfere with by the GOP that is being justify with one excuse or another.

Actually the Democrats are the ones who interfere with people's right to vote. Note the 2008 Michigan presidential primary.

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There are no high principled stances.

I've recently read Carl Van Doren's The Great Rehearsal and I'm half-way through The UNITED STATES by Hofstadter, Miller and Aaron and everybody voted their own interest. All those who thought they were better off under the British Crown were anti-Independence and anti-Federalism depended on what sort of crops grew best, how far from harbours they were, and whether they used slaves. Capitalists, lawyers and debtors rammed the Constitution through. Who got to tax who was the driver.

It was a bitter battle. Charles Beard claimed that a coalition of speculators, holders of public securities and carpet baggers which was better organised, better educated and more aware of their interests defeated the small farmers and frontiersmen. Most of the Founding Fathers had nothing but contempt for democracy and the common man most of whom were illiterate and didn't care much either way.

It seems to me that it is still being worked on.

Tyranny will be voted for if things get bad enough. Hitler won a popular election in an advanced industrial democracy.

It's all a business proposition. Guns, marriage laws, drugs, tariffs, healthcare, education, defence, trade, industry, research--the lot. Follow the money. Freedom is a joke. Adam was the last free guy. Tarzan was a figment.

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@spendius,

We are all the poor bloody infantry of some fat cats or wannabee fat cats. If wanting guns is instinctive everybody would want guns. The very fact that there are two sides is proof that both are conditioned. There are not two sides to wanting feeding.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It's all a business proposition. Guns, marriage laws, drugs, tariffs,
healthcare, education, defence, trade, industry, research--the lot. Follow the money.

I distinctly remember:
I was not even 3 years old when I was lusting for guns.
I had many non-functional imitation revolvers and pistols.
I clearly remember lying in bed, obsessing about functional guns.
My eyes LOCKED on the revolvers on the hips of NY City Police
and of bank guards. I did not give my thoughts to commercial transactions.

spendius wrote:

Freedom is a joke.

I take FREEDOM very seriously.
That 's Y I voted for Barry Goldwater & for Ronald Reagan.

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@snood,

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Without government, special interest groups would take over the country.

More and more the US government is just a puppet for special interests.

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@BillRM,

DAVID wrote:

Without government, special interest groups would take over the country.

BillRM wrote:

More and more the US government is just a puppet for special interests.

I certainly HOPE so. That 's DEMOCRACY IN ACTION!
If not, I vote against the politicians in November,
after I tell them that I will, if thay don't do
what the Special Interest Groups demand of them.

David

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

We are all the poor bloody infantry of some fat cats or wannabee fat cats.

I remember in the 1950s, the poets wanted
guys to be called CATS. Thay never explained Y.
I did not co-operate; I 'm no poet.

spendius wrote:

If wanting guns is instinctive everybody would want guns.

As long as thay actually RECEIVE possession of enuf guns,
THAT is what is important.

spendius wrote:

The very fact that there are two sides is proof that both are conditioned.
There are not two sides to wanting feeding.

I dunno; I used to date an actress named Ivy; shockingly beautiful blonde chick.
She was anorexic, under psychological care. Somewhat questionable about her feeding.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I take FREEDOM very seriously.

Go and talk to the Boy Scouts Dave. It's yourself you take seriously. You never did a single thing for freedom. Voting for Goldwater and Reagan is just a stroll down to a polling station near you.

Ye Gods!! As if those who voted against those two hate freedom. Not voting at all is far closer to freedom than voting for secretive manipulating windbags. You get close to being a ******* gramophone record spinning around with a needle stuck in its arse.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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She was anorexic, under psychological care. Somewhat questionable about her feeding.

Trust you to find an exceptional case under treatment. You could have used somebody who sleeps on a bed of nails to prove soft beds are not instinctive although I will admit it being an unsuitable case for telling us you once dated a hottie. Haven't we all? Aren't all our dates shockingly beautiful?

You have even been manipulated on beauty. Trophy dolls engineered by the advertising industry.

Load of bollocks. Pickpocketing.

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@OmSigDAVID,

LOL so a fraction of one percent of the population should be our rulers David?

The overall interest of the citizens and the society should be wave away as not being of any important compare to the special interests of the wealthy?

The Rome Republic ended due to that kind of thinking and it would be a shame if such was repeated here.

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@spendius,

I'm still wringing my long-johns out after reading that somebody thinks that voting for Goldwater and Reagan constitutes fighting for freedom.

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