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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 11:49 am
@BillRM,
Can you read, and understand, what you post?
Quote:
The ban may have contributed to a reduction in gun homicides, but a statistical power analysis of our model indicated that any likely effects from the ban will be very difficult to detect statistically for several more years. We found no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations. The findings should be treated cautiously due to the methodological difficulties of making a short-term assessment of the ban and because the ban's long-term effects could differ from the short-term influences revealed by this study."

The long-term effects of the assault weapons ban on reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations might not yet be apparent.

And funding for research on gun violence is what the NRA tries to block.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html#storylink=cpy
BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 12:18 pm
@firefly,
Yes, I can read if repeat it there was some affects it was so small and tiny it was below the noise of the data.

Given the ban was a joke as far as banning anything it would be odd it there was any effects in any case.

Not to mention such little facts as that so call assault weapons are rarely the weapon of choose in crimes.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 12:27 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
And funding for research on gun violence is what the NRA tries to block.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html#storylink=cpy


Reopen the mental asylums and re-warehouse the mental ill of any type that might be a threat to the society sometime in the future.

Back to the 1950s and as you Firefly love locking people up you should be all for such a program.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 12:51 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The long-term effects of the assault weapons ban on reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides
or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations might not yet be apparent.
What good comes from speculating????
I can speculate about the chances of turning water into gold.



firefly wrote:
And funding for research on gun violence is what the NRA tries to block.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html#storylink=cpy
That matters not; the freedom-lovers of America have the Supreme Law of the Land on our side.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:01 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Back to the 1950s and as you Firefly love locking people up you should be all for such a program.


I am all for that program...on any given night I could nab at least two dozen people on the streets of my downtown who rightfully should probably be in an in-house treatment facility. These folks are bad for business.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:06 pm
@hawkeye10,

Quote:
Back to the 1950s and as you Firefly love locking people up you should be all for such a program.
hawkeye10 wrote:

I am all for that program...on any given night I could nab at least two dozen people on the streets of my downtown who rightfully should probably be in an in-house treatment facility.

These folks are bad for business.
How 's business, Hawkeye ?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
How 's business, Hawkeye ?


Pretty darn good. And I finally have a good crew so I dont need to pull the 60-70 hour weeks right now, got it down to about 50, which is really nice.

As you might have seen IdiotBill is back, and also some of the St Pete gay playboys have threatened to attack my business (they claim to be looking or it) so I likely will soon be leaving A2K for a more morally upstanding community. I like that there are smart people like you here to argue with, to seek truth with, but there are other places with smart people.

Have you any recommendations?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:33 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
He was 24? Highly intellegent? And, been planning this for weeks on end, including taking out anyone that entered his home...and his Mother knew he was capable. All with orange hair and quitting Uni in June.. .

She knew him as a kid, child. She saw there were issues then. If she believed that they had the right person, internally, she always knew he was capable, how friggen sad..


There was a bit of media misunderstanding on that issue. When she said "you have the right person", she was answering a reporter's question if she was the mother of the guy in Colorado (as opposed to being someone who happened to have the same name, but was unrelated).

She did not mean it as a statement that she knew he was the shooter.



FOUND SOUL wrote:
I imagine he went to alot of Doctors throughout his life, but none could change his mental problem... No one suggested he was totally nuts either.. They always seem to have an extremely high eye cue, in my opinion.


My guess is he is suffering from schizophrenia. But who knows.



FOUND SOUL wrote:
Shirt, sorry I changed the subject from guns but ...........................................


That's OK. Go ahead and change the subject back as often as you like.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:35 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
Irrelevant. Banning the private ownership and use of cars would save untold lives.


That's just ridiculous. Banning medical practice could be argued for on that principle. Banning electricity as well.

If you can't, or won't, see the difference between cars and guns you are not someone it is worth having a discussion with.


The only relevant difference between cars and guns is that it is illegal to ban guns in America.



spendius wrote:
You're having your paranoia exploited for business and bureaucratic reasons and your mind controlled and in a permanent ferment of righteousness based on a faux obsession with an old, out of date, mouldering document written for a world as different from ours as to be unimaginable in any realistic sense. Movies are not reality.

And your solution for the paranoia can only cause it to get worse.


No such paranoia.

And no. The world is not different. Freedom is not a fleeting concept that our ancestors got to enjoy and we have to forgo. Americans will remain free until the end of time.



spendius wrote:
Freedom would be having a gun and nobody knowing about it. Having one at the discretion of the authorities is faux freedom.


We're not serfs. The authorities have no such discretion.

If we choose to carry guns, we are allowed to do so, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:38 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
We're not serfs.


Serfs no, plebs yes.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:40 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
If Holmes had yelled "fire" in that movie theater, we would all be agreeing there needs to be some limit on the first amendment to protect other people.


Oh? Would it involve prior restraint, perhaps muzzling everyone ahead of time so they could not yell fire (even if there really was a fire)?

Or would it merely involve prosecuting people for wrongdoing after they've actually committed a crime?

Would it comply with normal constitutional standards of review like strict/intermediate/rational basis scrutiny?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:45 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
A study last year in the Journal of Trauma-Injury Infection & Critical Care analyzed gun death statistics for 2003 from the World Health Organization Mortality Database. It found that 80 percent of all firearms deaths in 23 industrialized countries were in the United States. For women, the figure rose to 86 percent; for children 14 and younger, to 87 percent. Can anyone seriously claim our comparatively lax gun laws had nothing to do with such blood-drenched data? ...


Can anyone claim any relevance for the data?

Does the fact that someone was killed with a gun, as opposed to being killed with some other weapon, make them somehow "more dead"?



Quote:
Regulations, it is said, just won't work. Bad people will get guns somehow. But if that were true, why did the assault weapons ban work?


The only thing the assault weapons ban succeeded in doing was violating people's civil rights.

(That is really the only thing it was ever meant to do, too.)



firefly wrote:
If regulation is futile, why do we bother to regulate safety in so many other ways? We manage to prevent needless deaths through rules on refrigerators, automobiles and children's toys, yet politics block us from keeping up to date on the regulation of firearms, whose very purpose is to kill.


No. Politics prevents us from violating the civil rights of our countrymen.



Quote:
The polls still show considerable support for practical measures to curb gun violence. For example: a 2011 New York Times/CBS News poll found that 63 percent of Americans favor a ban on high-capacity magazines; just as many supported an assault weapons ban...


Assault weapons bans do not curb violence. They only violate civil rights.

And it doesn't matter how many people support violating civil rights. It is still unconstitutional.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:48 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence examined the impact of the Assault Weapons Ban in its 2004 report, On Target: The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Act. Examining 1.4 million guns involved in crime, it determined that since the law was enacted, "assault weapons have made up only 1.61% of the guns ATF has traced to crime — a drop of 66% from the pre-ban rate."


Oh? And did "not having certain harmless cosmetic features on the gun that killed them" make any of the victims "less dead"?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:50 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Dan Morain: Gun lobby blocks violence studies
By Dan Morain
Sunday, Jul. 29, 2012

....

Rational people might wonder why Holmes or any civilian would need an AR-15 assault rifle.


No. Only a serf would wonder such a thing.

Rational people know that free Americans have the right to have such weapons if they choose to do so.



Quote:
They might question how Holmes could outfit himself in military-style body armor, acquire a 100-round magazine, and amass 6,000 bullets without anyone in authority noticing.


Not much confusion there. By going to the store and buying it.

Silly question.



Quote:
People might wonder why anyone would kill 12 people in a movie theater, or kill six people and gravely wound a congresswoman outside a Safeway in Tucson, or shoot to death 32 people at a university in Virginia.


Not much question there either. Because the shooters are loony toons.



Quote:
They might wonder why 30,000 people die from gun-related violence each year, clearly enough to constitute a health menace worthy of research.


No. No rational person would wonder that.

A rational person would realize that someone would be just as dead no mater what sort of device was used to kill them.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:54 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Can you read, and understand, what you post?
Quote:
The ban may have contributed to a reduction in gun homicides, but a statistical power analysis of our model indicated that any likely effects from the ban will be very difficult to detect statistically for several more years. We found no evidence of reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations. The findings should be treated cautiously due to the methodological difficulties of making a short-term assessment of the ban and because the ban's long-term effects could differ from the short-term influences revealed by this study."


The long-term effects of the assault weapons ban on reductions in multiple-victim gun homicides or multiple-gunshot wound victimizations might not yet be apparent.

And funding for research on gun violence is what the NRA tries to block.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/29/4668327/gun-lobby-blocks-violence-studies.html#storylink=cpy


There will be no long term effects whatsoever.

Whether a gun has harmless cosmetic features, like a pistol grip or a flash suppressor, is completely irrelevant.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 01:54 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The law must be magical after all.


Obviously. Only lip service, and that only when convenient, is paid to old mouldering documents making law. Men make law not things. The old mouldering documents were made by men. That's not law in any philosophical sense.

Evolution is the only law. And we only live by that to row the boat ashore. There are no evolutionists. There are only codologies.

This argument is a codology. No state lives up to the 2nd as Dave wishes they all should. Everybody, kids, felons, nuts, should be able to pack what they want, when they want, otherwise Federal or State is interfering with their rights under the 2nd and that is unconstitutional. And once unconstitutional interference is permitted then it's only a matter of degree and thus subject to all sorts of interests and only rhetorical dominance wins the argument.

There are no principles involved* and anybody invoking any is soft in the head. Or thinks we are. The latter being the saner option

*Excepting Dave's self preservation principle and the one presenting a person as more powerful than he actually is in the evolutionary sense.

As Mr Obama said about your success not being down to you. It's having a ride on the coat tails of the industrial revolution to fake looking powerful. Like ladies' fashions do for those who follow buffalo marriage customs at the other end of the market. One lot tup and the other lot prance.

And look what happened to buffaloes. They developed bones in their foreheads so thick that brains had to be reduced to the very minimum. And prancing (this is good innit-I don't know what I'm going to write next at this point) does not have such a drawback and thus the battle of wits becomes a pushover and the bones in the forehead get even thicker and the push becomes a shove and the shove morphs quickly, in the context of unimaginable time as Mr Darwin called it for want of a more precise term, into a slide down a slippery slope.

The gun nuts are feminist stooges. They are on the wrong side of history unless we go into reverse and retrace our steps.

"Wor a load of wallies" the lads in the pub would say on Sunday lunchtime when they are going home to some proper prancing around the stove with the rattling pots and pans Bill Haley made so famous.

"The last rasping gasp of the mantis' groom" as Bill Greenwell had it. He's a poet. Poets use language lasers.

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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 02:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
and also some of the St Pete gay playboys have threatened to attack my business (they claim to be looking or it)


Couldn't you have them prosecuted for causing trouble (or even shoot them in self defense, should they get violent)?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 02:35 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Couldn't you have them prosecuted for causing trouble (or even shoot them in self defense, should they get violent)?


So, it's Palestinians, Italians, and now Homosexuals you want to exterminate. You're drawing up a nice little list aren't you?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 02:51 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The only relevant difference between cars and guns is that it is illegal to ban guns in America.


You mean the law is illegal??

Your other remarks are kid's stuff.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2012 03:18 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
So, it's Palestinians, Italians, and now Homosexuals you want to exterminate.


Liar.
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