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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:23 am
@spendius,
Annual intentional homicide rate


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

per 100,000 in 2010


United States 4.8

Canada 1.62
New Zealand 1.76

United Kingdom 1.23
Australia 1.16


It's still safer in the U.S. than in the Honduras. Good, eh.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:24 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
The framers allowed state militias. Not a federal one.


Nonsense. The same militia serves both levels of government.



spendius wrote:
Could a state ban guns if its legislature and a referendum voted to do so?


No. Our ancient right to carry guns for self defense would take precedence.

Plus the Constitution demands that there always be a militia, and that militiamen be allowed to keep military weaponry in their own homes.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:44 am
@ehBeth,


I see Taiwan finally got their homicide rate below ours. During much of the 1990s it was higher than ours, and they did it all without guns.

Taiwan still has a much higher homicide rate than Switzerland though.

Funny how Switzerland has all those guns, and Taiwan doesn't.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 12:26 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Funny how Switzerland has all those guns, and Taiwan doesn't.
Well, perhaps you have to register etc firearms in Switzerland like in other European countries? Interestingly, they have in Switzerland a very similar knife law to that in England, too.
Rorschach
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 12:33 pm
A new twist to this tragedy. (Poor journalism or coincidence, I'm not sure)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-shootingdenver-notebookl2e8ipbxo-20120725,0,2568701.story

Report: Colorado shooting suspect sent plans notebook to psychiatrist

Quote:
AURORA, Colo., July 25 (Reuters) - The man accused of
Friday's movie theater massacre in Colorado mailed a notebook
"full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a
University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack,
FoxNews.com reported on Wednesday.

The package allegedly from the suspected shooter,
24-year-old James Eagan Holmes, remained unopened in a mailroom
for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, FoxNews.com
reported, citing a law enforcement source.

Reuters could not immediately verify the report but was
seeking to do so. Messages left with police in Aurora and other
law enforcement officials involved in the case were not
immediately returned.

The FoxNews.com report said Police and FBI agents were
called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in
Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a
professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed
to be from the suspect.

Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up
another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes' name in
the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.

After obtaining a search warrant, police took the package
away and discovered its contents.

FoxNews.com quoted its source saying: "Inside the package
was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill
people. There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -
drawings and illustrations of the massacre."

Police say Holmes, wearing body armor, a gas mask and toting
three firearms, opened fire on a crowded midnight screening of
"The Dark Knight Rises" in the Denver suburb of Aurora, killing
12 people and wounding 58 others.

Holmes, who was arrested immediately after the attack
outside the theater, made his first appearance in court on
Monday. Authorities plan to formally charge him on July 30.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 12:35 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

spendius wrote:
You're just thrashing around in all directions to try to hide the fact that guns are an extension of potency for those in need of that sort of thing.


You freedom haters always fall back on bigoted lies when you (invariably) lose on the facts.
The repressionists are obsessed with the sexual funtioning
of American freedom-lovers.

There is no end of their questions about our penises.





David
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 12:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Swiss have a lot of cheese, too.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 12:42 pm
@Ticomaya,
Even a lot of different kind of cheese. And watches. And clocks. And 1,500,000 males plus 1,500,000 females fit their army.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:02 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

spendius wrote:
I would imagine that everybody who died or was maimed fighting for freedom would puke at what you say Dave. You never turned a hair for freedom in your entire life. You blaspheme the concept of freedom to try to make your penis substitute seem rational. At least as a penis substitute shooting guns make sense.

Why won't you admit a sensuality component to your gun loving.
It shows clear enough. I wouldn't be surprised if you stroke the ******* things.
I 'm glad I had the presence of mind
to put Spendius on Ignore, but I 'm reading Oralloy 's posts.
Spendius's quoted posts r not much above JTT.

Here, Spendius tells us about HIS IMAGINATION.
As most haters of freedom, Spendius is hopelessly OBSESSED
with curiosity regarding the penises of American freedom-lovers.
Maybe he is jealous.

Next he'll be demanding that we post pictures
for his careful examination, to nourish & flourish HIS IMAGINATION.





David
aspvenom
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:04 pm
@Rorschach,
If this is true, then this whole tragedy could have been probably avoided. I guess this means check you mail every day, and take threats and things of that sort for face value.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:15 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

David the anti-gun people had a wonderful faith
in governments being able to protect them from any danger,
that up to this point in time had never been shown to be true.
Yes. I know. I knew a captain in the NY City Police
who told me: "the most important function of the Police
is to provide the illusion of security."


The Kitty Genovese event rocked them back.
It demonstrated that when a citizen cries out for help,
screaming bloody murder for about an hour,
her fellow citizens not only remain at rest,
but thay don 't even bother to call police. nothing





David
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, perhaps you have to register etc firearms in Switzerland like in other European countries?


Not sure. I don't think I ever learned their registration laws.

I once learned their laws on what guns were allowed and what background checks were required though.


They ban semi-auto copies of full-auto weapons (meaning, I think, guns where the internal mechanism is so similar that the addition of a few small parts would convert a semi-auto to full-auto).

It was laws like that which prompted Glock to design their full-auto Glock 18 with an entirely different mechanism than their semi-auto Glock 17.

That rule probably bans most assault weapons in Switzerland, though a manufacturer could design an assault weapon with entirely different internals, like Glock did with their pistol, and have it pass muster.

Ex-militiamen have an exception to that rule. They are able to have their full-auto rifles converted to semi-auto, and then keep them as civilians after they leave military service.


Other than that, semi-autos and pump-action guns are allowed, if the buyer passes a background check.

Bolt-action rifles and double-barreled shotguns are available even without a background check.


It was about 10 years ago that I looked all that up, so they could have changed things around in the meantime (though I doubt they changed things very much).



One thing I like about Switzerland is, their militia is quite a bit like the one the Constitution demands that we have in America.

They don't send their militia outside their own borders, and their militiamen keep their automatic rifles in their own homes.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:40 pm
@oralloy,
firefly wrote:
the gun nuts carrying on about their "freedom" and "rights".
oralloy wrote:
Freedom and civil rights really bother you, don't they?
THAT is what AMERICA is all about.

Without FREEDOM and INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, America woud have no value.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I 'm glad I had the presence of mind
to put Spendius on Ignore, but I 'm reading Oralloy 's posts.
Spendius's quoted posts r not much above JTT.

Here, Spendius tells us about HIS IMAGINATION.
As most haters of freedom, Spendius is hopelessly OBSESSED
with curiosity regarding the penises of American freedom-lovers.
Maybe he is jealous.

Next he'll be demanding that we post pictures
for his careful examination, to nourish & flourish HIS IMAGINATION.


It wasn't presence of mind. It was cowardice. Gun deaths are usually caused by cowards. Forms of bushwhacking. A knife or club wielding assailant is taking a risk. A shooter is only not taking a risk in a fair duel. I bet not one of the nearly 9,000 gun deaths in the US last year was the loser in a duel. And I bet also that the victims being armed would have made no difference.

You're trying to compensate for never having been in a shooting war. With toys. You're even scared of shadows and seeing threats in every street.

And the expression "haters of freedom" sounds very sweet coming from a place that only joined the fight against Hitler when he was already defeated and which uses drones to kill people thus avoiding the slightest risk. It's a phrase of mere self congratulation and serious delusion. Freedom fighters are those with their names carved in stone in memorial parks in every town and village in England. That you should feel superior to them as a ******* lawyer is retching material. You're as soft as a bag of wet ****. The yellow stuff that babies dodo.

I bet you can do an Eliot Ness narrowing of the eyes in the bathroom mirror. That series was a piss take you know. Actors have their hair blow-waved and their underpants ironed.

Whatever you do Dave don't post any pictures of yourself from any angle.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:58 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
Guns are a part of the culture of the US, it is not possible to ban them or outlaw them.
McTag wrote:
I recognise that to be probably true.

Also true because the armaments manufacturers("defence" contractors) are probably the biggest industry,
Thay are a very small industry.



McTag wrote:
and seem to have enough of the politicians in their pocket to ensure that no change will happen.
Bill Clinton credited the NRA
with his landslide loss of the Congress from Democratic hands,
and Clinton & Al Gore admitted that Gore lost his Presidential election
because of NRA in their quest for freedom. Gore even lost his HOME STATE. Ignominious.





David
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 01:59 pm
@spendius,
Please do not quote my post as Dave might see it if you do and we wouldn't want him getting all upset and all.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 02:31 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Ex-militiamen have an exception to that rule. They are able to have their full-auto rifles converted to semi-auto, and then keep them as civilians after they leave military service.


Other than that, semi-autos and pump-action guns are allowed, if the buyer passes a background check.

Bolt-action rifles and double-barreled shotguns are available even without a background check.


It was about 10 years ago that I looked all that up, so they could have changed things around in the meantime (though I doubt they changed things very much).
You really should read the law - Switzerland is a Schengen-country, and their gun laws are nearly the same as ours.
(The reason is quite simple, because there's no border control between Switzerland and surrounding countries - and all their neighbouring countries are Schengen countries, too.)

When a Swiss leaves the army - that's when he/she is 49 - they have to give their weapons back.
Just yesterday it was reported that they had looked over 17,000 unclear 'dossiers' from last year, 31 weapons weren't given back, 11 were by now. The other 20 are looked at by the (military) police. Altogether, the military police is investigating 331 cases where weapons weren't returned to the army. (Source: Swiss tv evening news, 24.27.2012 - referring to reports from the Swiss Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sport.)

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 02:33 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

What insight is needed?

A very bright nut case who killed a lot of people at random and understanding his thought processes might be a good subject for a Phd paper on abnormal psychology but in everyday terms he is a nut who thinkings and actions surrounding the killings is not likely to made sense in everyday terms.
Mayor Rudy Giuliani put it best when he asked:
"Who KNOWS Y crazy people do things?"





David
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 02:36 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

One thing I like about Switzerland is, their militia is quite a bit like the one the Constitution demands that we have in America.

They don't send their militia outside their own borders,..
The Swiss Army does not take part in armed conflicts in other countries because of the Swiss neutrality, but takes part in peacekeeping missions around the world with some 1,000 soldiers. ("Task of the armed forces: Defence, Support of the civilian authorities, Promotion of peace within an international context.")
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gungasnake
 
  0  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 02:50 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I think the FAL was a .308. That has a lot more recoil than the .223 and the round fired by the AK-47.

The lighter rifle rounds are OK in short bursts. You'd probably need a tripod for long bursts though....


The semiauto mechanism of the FAL eats most of the recoil, it's barely noticable, at least with ordinary NATO ammo using the 147gr bullets.
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