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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 07:05 am
@spendius,
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Quote:
Can you cite some evidence?


Evidence for what that the colonies living standards was far higher then that of the mother country for the average citizens or that some of the king soldiers did not return after the war?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 07:19 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Too dumb to buy some reload power from a gun store and then visit the hardware store?

Buying large quantities of powder will get you noticed and likely a visit from the police or ATF.
The same with buying large quantities of pool supplies.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 07:20 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Quote:
Can you cite some evidence?


Evidence for what that the colonies living standards was far higher then that of the mother country for the average citizens or that some of the king soldiers did not return after the war?


There was another problem at that time.

I've always figured that to feel halfway good about being involved in combat, most people need two things i.e. a believable cause and a reasonable chance to win.

From the dawn of the gunpowder age and also from the time that Innocent VIII issued the papal bull equating birth control with sorcery and witchcraft, European states were in an almost continual state of warfare in which neither of those two things were ever present; war and overseas expansion were seen as primary means of population control.

Under those circumstances, Friedrich II (the "great") once told the philosopher Voltaire that if any of his (Friedrich's) soldiers ever thought about what the **** they were doing for fifteen seconds, they'd all be gone. That (preventing thinking) in fact was most of the point of all the drilling in the Prussian military system.

Basically, all of the German names you see in Pennsylvania, are those of people who thought about it for fifteen seconds and made it to the New World.

That situation is also why the founding fathers abhorred war and wanted citizens to have power over government as a last resort.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 07:50 am
@parados,
Quote:
Buying large quantities of powder will get you noticed and likely a visit from the police or ATF.
The same with buying large quantities of pool supplies.


Amazing that all those claimed checks had not stop many bombers who used such sources to make bombs in the past.

Perhaps you could give us few links to news stories of that happening in fact!!!
parados
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 07:52 am
@BillRM,
Which bombers are you referring to?

Current reporting laws are different than they were 20 years ago.

It looks like the last reporting changes in the law were made in 2003.
www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5400-7.pdf
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:19 am
@parados,
Twenty years ago?

Reloading is done on a small scale home/garage business all over this nation and I been in a man garage roughly a month ago to buy a few hundreds reload 357 rounds who had enough power to send his home and his neighbor homes off the planet.

There is no tight control of such businesses or the supplies needed otherwise no such business could be run out of a private home as I am sure no one had grant him a license to legally run such a business in a resident area of the county I live in.

The fire department alone would have a heart attack over his set up if they knew of it.

He also had some old reload equipment for sale and if I had offer to buy it there is no question in my mind I could had also purchase enough power from him to send any number of movie theater into low earth orbit also.

Sorry you live in a fantasy land as far as their being tight controls over such materials.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:31 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Twenty years ago?

Reloading is done on a small scale home/garage business all over this nation and I been in a man garage roughly a month ago to buy a few hundreds reload 357 rounds who had enough power to send his home and his neighbor homes off the planet.

There is no tight control of such businesses or the supplies needed otherwise no such business could be run out of a private home as I am sure no one had grant him a license to legally run such a business in a resident area of the county I live in.

The fire department alone would have a heart attack over his set up if they knew of it.

He also had some old reload equipment for sale and if I had offer to buy it there is no question in my mind I could had also purchase enough power from him to send any number of movie theater into low earth orbit also.

Sorry you live in a fantasy land as far as their being tight controls over such materials.
Yes. I have not been a re-loader; too lazy,
but I 've known a lot of guys who wanted
better-than-factory-ammunition, so thay made it.
That has been a very, very popular wide spread practice in America.
Some hobbyists make their own guns, too.
That way, thay get exactly what thay want.
Some really beautiful works of art come from them.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David the anti-gun people had a wonderful faith in governments being able to protect them from any danger, that up to this point in time had never been shown to be true.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:47 am
@BillRM,
You might want to actually read the law before you claim there is no control.

If he sells powder he is required to have a Federal license and he has to keep records according to that license.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:51 am
@BillRM,
By the way Bill. If he has enough powder as you say he does and it is located in a garage of his house then he is in violation of Federal law. You have a requirement to report said violation to local police.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Yes. I have not been a re-loader; too lazy,
but I 've known a lot of guys who wanted
better-than-factory-ammunition, so thay made it.


I just wish for some cheaper bullets to send down range as the money you can send down range along with the bullets can be amazing.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:56 am
@parados,
Yes sir and all such laws are obey to the letter and people can not be in the business of selling and manufacturing reloads out of a private home either.

Of course all would be mad bombers will obey such laws also.

Try any gun show in the nation for an idea how will such laws are obey.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 08:58 am
@parados,
I am under an obligation to report him?

Sorry but for the most part citizens are under no legal obligation to report illegal acts that I am aware of nor would I do so in this case.

We are not all unpaid informers for law enforcement.


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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:05 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

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Jerry Newcombe, Evangelical Leader, Says Only Christian Victims Of Colorado Shooting Going To Heaven
07/22/2012

An evangelical spokesperson for a religious group known as Truth In Action has claimed that the tragedy in Colorado happened because America has lost its fear of hell.

In an article published on OneNewsNow, evangelical Jerry Newcombe wrote:

I can't help but feel that to some extent, we're reaping what we've been sowing as a society. We said to God, "Get out of the public arena." Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided "civil libertarians," have chased away any fear of God in the land -- at least in the hearts of millions.

Newcombe’s is not alone in reacting this way to the shooting in Aurora that claimed 12 deaths and left dozens of injuries. On the day of the shooting Rep. Gohmert of Texas also insisted that the shootings are the result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian Beliefs":

"People say ... where was God in all of this? We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments when on a segment on the American Family Association radio dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place.. on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ.. if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place.

Newcombe then turned the tragedy into a time for people to become Christian and avoid the similar fate of hell:

For those who are not ‘in Christ’ and see this incredible tragedy, this would be a good time for soul reflection and consider why have you not accepted Jesus Christ.. I would urge anyone who is not in Christ to repent of your sins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/jerry-newcombe-hell_n_1692859.html
People who have returned from death
in hospitals have reported life-review experiences
wherein thay were presented with un-conditional LOVE.
Religion did not become an issue.
There was a Christian clergyman like Jerry Newcombe
who used to say things like he did to his congregation,
until he himself died of a heart attack
from which he was re-vived.

He said: " I was surprized that God was not interested in my theology."

There have been some complaints from atheists, tho.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:28 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Probably the best weapon for covert manufacture would be the equivalent of a sawed-off shotgun firing buckshot. The requirements for tight mechanical tolerances would not be as great
BillRM wrote:
If I remember my WW2 history correctly the British designed a simple to produce sub-machine gun and send its plans to the people living under the Nazis and thousands was manufactured under the nose of the SS.

Those plans I am sure still exist and what can be done in France under the nose of the SS in the 1940s surely can be done with modern machine shop tools by any amount needed under the nose of the ATF in the 2010s.
Yes. I have a construction manual
from PALADIN PRESS for making submachineguns at home, at leisure.
The technology is not secret.
http://www.paladin-press.com/category/s?keyword=submachine+gun





David
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:29 am
@gungasnake,

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That situation is also why the founding fathers abhorred war


Strange how things turned out, then.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:32 am
@parados,
By the way a fine if very sad example of no duty to report happen in a casino where a man saw a friend in the act of dragging a young girl into a bathroom and killing her.

Not only did he not intervene but he said nothing and went back home in the same car as his murderer friend.

Of course people was rightly outrage over his non actions and his silent over the matter and all the law books was look at in details to see if he could be charge with a crime.

Guess what they could not find any legal way of charging this man.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:36 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Quote:
'"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

Benjamin Franklin would puke if he heard you misusing his words to justify your desire to own assault weapons. Owning assault weapons is not "essential liberty"--except in the mind of the most crazed gun nut. And that's why these weapons are banned in many places in the U.S.
That is ABUSIVE of Benjamin Franklin, Firefly,
and entirely unfounded. He was a freedom-lover, like I am.
For that reason, he risked death
in leading the American Revolution.





David
snood
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

firefly wrote:
Quote:
'"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

Benjamin Franklin would puke if he heard you misusing his words to justify your desire to own assault weapons. Owning assault weapons is not "essential liberty"--except in the mind of the most crazed gun nut. And that's why these weapons are banned in many places in the U.S.
That is ABUSIVE of Benjamin Franklin, Firefly,
and entirely unfounded. He was a freedom-lover, like I am.
For that reason, he risked death
in leading the American Revolution.





David


...and what do you risk?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:51 am
Benjamin Franklin "lead the American revolution"? ! ? ! ?

Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

David just makes this **** up as he goes along.
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