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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:04 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Invent your own bogeymen eh Krumpie?

It's a bit far-fetched. You should try to stay somewhere in the region of common sense.

What are the statistics on somebody tooling up with rocks, sticks and any and all objects that could be used as an instrument to cause bodily harm, and going into a crowded place and deploying them in such a way as to kill and injure nearly 60 Batman fans.


Sorry to catch you off guard spend, it was just a small dose of sarcasm. Perhaps you don't like it because it does have a bit of honesty in it that you don't like. I'm pretty sure though before firearms were invented, we humans were still really good at mass murdering each other, perhaps not in theaters but around the watering holes and maybe a drive in cave.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:08 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Invent your own bogeymen eh Krumpie?

It's a bit far-fetched. You should try to stay somewhere in the region of common sense.

What are the statistics on somebody tooling up with rocks, sticks and any and all objects that could be used as an instrument to cause bodily harm, and going into a crowded place and deploying them in such a way as to kill and injure dozens of people.


Well, of course, there's the tale of Sampson wiping out an entire congregation of Philistines (and himself) by collapsing an entire temple onto them. Could we consider Sampson he first suicide bomber is history?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:16 pm
@Krumple,
Do you really think I didn't know it was sarcasm? It was so unoriginal. You could have done garden implements, pillows, knitting needles, disinfectants and pottery.

What honesty are you talking about? That sticks can be compared to assault weapons with large magazines. That's honest?? It's rubbish.

Read Homer to see a few methods of premeditated murder before firearms were invented. Or better still Edward Gibbon.

You!!--Krumpie?? --catching me off guard. That'll be the day.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:17 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
It was just a joke Andrei.. about having haircuts.
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:19 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

You!!--Krumpie?? --catching me off guard. That'll be the day.


Look I just did it again...
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:24 pm
@spendius,
Well, yes, the tonsorial treatment came first, of course; but I'm not sure that's relevant to the ensuing act of terrorism that occurred. (The less than successful cataract surgery might have had something to do with it, though.)
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:28 pm
@Krumple,
Be my guest Krumpie.
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 03:58 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Be my guest Krumpie.


Such a silly little comment. Like what does it actually do for you? You are prepared for any and every comment? Nothing would catch you off guard? You would see it coming long before it was even written? Nothing get's by you does it. We might as well just deem you master of conversational intention. Doesn't have a very good ring to it but they can call you master contention for short I guess. Still makes you sound rather boring if you ask me.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:17 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but Jefferson feel that it was a blank check in the constitution and that the Federals under Hamilton was using it as such by for example claiming the power to charters banks and corporations.

A power found no where directly under the constitution.....................



The Congress shall have power To....
....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

That authorizes a central bank.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:21 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.


That is why the serfs keep asking why we "need" this or that.

The notion of free Americans exercising our rights simply because we choose to do so, without ever having to provide any justification to explain ourselves, is a concept that serfs just can't get their heads around.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:26 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Invent your own bogeymen eh Krumpie?

It's a bit far-fetched. You should try to stay somewhere in the region of common sense.

What are the statistics on somebody tooling up with rocks, sticks and any and all objects that could be used as an instrument to cause bodily harm, and going into a crowded place and deploying them in such a way as to kill and injure dozens of people.


Not far fetched at all. Almost all homicides are small-scale attacks that could easily be carried out with lesser weapons (or even with no weapons at all).

That is why gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.



spendius wrote:
And why bring up the Oklahoma bomber? He would have been arrested if caught with the bomb at any time before he planted it. His bomb was banned. That case could be cited by those who want to ban guns. McVeigh's bomb was him "bearing arms". To cite the case on the other side, as has been done, is idiotic.


Not idiotic at all. Bombers might be caught now and then, but many are not caught until they act.

Bringing up the issue of mad bombers is a valid way of derailing the silly claim that gun control will prevent large-scale massacres.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:38 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Not idiotic at all. Bombers might be caught now and then, but many are not caught until they act.

Bringing up the issue of mad bombers is a valid way of derailing the silly claim that gun control will prevent large-scale massacres.


Do not forget the case I had already posted about concerning a man who killed 88 men and women at an after hour club with zero planning beyond the time it took him to get a can of gasoline with a container of gasoline and a match.

Then there was the gentleman who went through his village one night and kill something like 39 people with a sword.

Repeat a sword...........

Footnote UK citizens has far less to be concern about in being kill by swords at night as I had read that their fine government had ban the import of cheap copies of swords from aboard.

The only thing likely to kill a UK citizens is boredom it would seems as their government wrap them up in cotton paddings.

One wonder what Churchill would think of his countrymen of today.

oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:40 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
You could have done garden implements, pillows, knitting needles, disinfectants and pottery.

What honesty are you talking about? That sticks can be compared to assault weapons with large magazines. That's honest?? It's rubbish.

Read Homer to see a few methods of premeditated murder before firearms were invented. Or better still Edward Gibbon.


An assault weapon is just a gun with certain harmless cosmetic features, so it would indeed be reasonable to compare it with a lesser weapon like a club or a stick.

A very large magazine might put a gun in a different lethality category (regardless of whether or not it was an assault weapon), but certainly no more lethal than bombs.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 04:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
very large magazine might put a gun in a different lethality category (regardless of whether or not it was an assault weapon), but certainly no more lethal than bombs.


Clips can be change/replace in a second so therefore smaller clips are unlikely to reduce the average rate of fire all that must.

The shotting at the once college who name is not coming to me at the moment the killer did his killing with a normal semi-auto handgun with normal size clips.

As it was not an assault gun it did not seems to get the news play this case is getting.
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
very large magazine might put a gun in a different lethality category (regardless of whether or not it was an assault weapon), but certainly no more lethal than bombs.


Clips can be change/replace in a second so therefore smaller clips are unlikely to reduce the average rate of fire all that must.

The shotting at the once college who name is not coming to me at the moment the killer did his killing with a normal semi-auto handgun with normal size clips.

As it was not an assault gun it did not seems to get the news play this case is getting.


Are you referring to the virgina tech shootings?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:04 pm
@BillRM,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/ChoSh.jpg/220px-ChoSh.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

, The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on April 16, 2007, on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, United States. Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others[1] in two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, before committing suicide. (Another 6 people were injured escaping from classroom windows.) The massacre is the deadliest shooting incident by a single gunman in U.S. history and one of the deadliest in the world.[2] It was also the worst act of mass murder on college students since Syracuse University lost 36 students in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103.[3] It is also the second-deadliest act of mass murder at a school campus, behind the Bath School bombing of 1927.

Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun.[12] The shootings occurred in separate incidents, with the first at West Ambler Johnston Hall, during which Cho killed two pupils, and the second at Norris Hall, where the other 31 deaths, including that of Cho himself, as well as all the nonlethal injuries, occurred.

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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:12 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Almost all homicides are small-scale attacks that could easily be carried out with lesser weapons (or even with no weapons at all).


And they are not the subject of this thread. Which is a massacre of people unknown to the shooter. Had he tried to strangle them he would have got nowhere.

Quote:
That is why gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.


Try not to be so ******* silly eh?

Quote:
Bringing up the issue of mad bombers is a valid way of derailing the silly claim that gun control will prevent large-scale massacres.


Nobody is talking about preventing large-scale matters. The subject is reducing them and making them more difficult. With your gun laws it looks a piece of cake.

You're out of your depth mate. Your arguments are infantile. Guns are sexy. That's your real point. A substitute for being sexy. Empowering Mr Average.

Empty beer bottles, watermelons, pigeons, deer, .... where next. Humans. Obviously. The destructive urge for the smallest effort. Just nip into a shop. Buy yourself machismo. The rootin' tootin' son-of-a-gun tough guy out of a mail-order catalogue. No effort or particular skills necessary. The manufacturers have made it easy. When is a 100 bullet weapon necessary for personal protection or for shooting a sitting duck?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
One wonder what Churchill would think of his countrymen of today.


He might say that they had "grey blood" as he often accused Sir Anthony Eden of having. That's the man who tried to save you all this trouble in the middle-east but your golfing President bottled it and now wiser Americans are having to deal with the problem.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:19 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
An assault weapon is just a gun with certain harmless cosmetic features, so it would indeed be reasonable to compare it with a lesser weapon like a club or a stick.


Go talk to a 1st grade class. A few of it's members might not giggle.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 05:22 pm
@spendius,
I have no problem with assault weapons being used as sticks.

or clubs...
 

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