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SAY NO TO MILK

 
 
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 02:56 pm
@Joe Nation,
I don't find it odd at all.

Surly the first milk drinkers recognized that, like infant humans, baby animals could survive on the milk of it's mother. I don't see much of leap to trying it themselves.

The first people to try oysters were the brave ones, in my book.
Mame
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:03 pm
@boomerang,
And maybe sometimes it was their only sustenance. However, I don't drink glasses of milk, having grown up on badly mixed, warm powdered milk - the memories give me shudders.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:06 pm
@ehBeth,
I drink milk at times. I like it and have no difficulties with it. For years I'd go through a gallon in a week or less, then I started to cut back to where I can get the half gallon to last a little more than a week. If I run out, it can be a few days before I bother getting more and in the summer I tend to be less inclined to make the purchase.

I don't really care what Bittman thinks. It also appears Bittman is staring totalitarily at cow milk and not mentioning goat milk which is a rather different deal.



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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:08 pm
@Joe Nation,
the problem with milk is that its over-processed. We drink RAW milk and its from licensed producing dairies who are inspected each tankful. The requirements on their chillers and storage equipment os much higher than for pateurized homogenized milk.
I agree that theres no reason to dink highly processed milk because all the enzymes are gone .
I had GERD also. I startd drinking RAw milk 15 years ago nd all those "milk related" maladies disappeared. Our kiddies drank it and so did the cats.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:09 pm
I used to drink a lot of milk, but I don't like American milk, it's processed to the point that's chemicals only. I like to drink coconut milk, it's lactose free,
so everyone can drink it.

http://www.spendlessmoney.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/9590b_silk-coconut-milk-image.gif
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:10 pm
@Mame,
Quote:
...having grown up on badly mixed, warm powdered milk - the memories give me shudders.



You had powdered too? I only had that when with Mother. It was a horrible item. Weird taste, sometimes not properly mixed and there'd be a powdery chunk. The powder does do well though for cooking purposes.

When living with other people, I had to control myself not to drink all the regular (non-powdered) milk. Once I started drawing a paycheck, I was buying a quart every afternoon and drinking it as I headed home.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:12 pm
@Mame,
I was one of a generation of kids that had to sit at the table until I finished my milk.

I later didn't drink coffee because people kept saying put some milk in it.

I found out in time that I could tolerate 2% milk without gagging, and I always liked chocolate milk, even as a kid.

Milk doesn't make me sick as it does others, that was all a reflex hatred of the taste and consistency.
Well, doesn't make me sick unless it's as said in the article, more breakable bones, too much sugar over time. I drink it sometimes. I don't sometimes.

I use it for baking, but I don't bake much. I use it for a faux latte once in a while. I use it as a cocktail with cheap booze once in a while, but not like I used to. I love cheese, especially the world's variety of soft cheeses (that includes california), and am an asiago and parmigiano fan. I feel terrible about the earthquake in Emilia romagna (northern italy) recently - a tremendous amount of good cheese was ruined, a heartbreaker for the cheesemakers and expensive for the rest of us.

Adds to Farmerman, I'd drink raw milk if it was available easily here.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:13 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
I like to drink coconut milk, it's lactose free,
so everyone can drink it.
Not quite everyone. I am allergic to coconut. It causes severe digestive pain, and if it's in a product such as soap, it makes my skin break out.

That said, I am glad that you and others have substitutes which can be used.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:13 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Mark Bittman says there's no good reason to drink it.

Are you a milk drinker? milk avoider? milk don't-care-r?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/got-milk-you-dont-need-it/?src=me&ref=general


I like milk in my coffee and some teas.

Occasionally I am moved to have a glass of it.

I generally use a skimmish milk...2% fat....called smart milk....I don't know why it's supposed to be smart...at home. At work it's ultra skim, except across the road where we see kids, where it is whole milk. Having a coffee over there is a guilty pleasure.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:30 pm
As a kid, I never did get enough milk, from my view. So, when I went in the Navy, I compulsively drank two or three cups with every meal. Finally, one day, as I put a cup of it to my mouth to drink, my body heaved up against it and I knew I had had more than enough. It was about six months before I wanted any more.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:39 pm
I have no grief with milk. Nor do I have a brief for it. I virtually never drink milk by the glassful. If I ever do, I make damned sure it's whole milk,not skimmed, not 50% or whatever. I refuse to pay more in order to get less. I do use milk in cooking and I am addicted to cheeses of many varieties. With me it's not a health issue, just a matter of personal taste.

But it's about time, imo,that somebody came out and said outright that milk is not only not the perfect food but, by itself, has very limited food value. Many societies would never touch the stuff. Cow's milk is for calves. Mother's milk is for babies until they're weaned. Milk contains no iron, only limited amounts of vitamins. But, again, for me iit's not a health issue. I just don't like the American Dairy Association.

I'm also totally with farmerman re: unprocessed milk. That stuff that comes steaming from a cow's udders is so-o-o-o-o-o superior to anything that's been homogenized. But I wouldn't know where to get such a delicacy around here.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 03:51 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
RAW milk dairies are really catching on, mostly because of the Calcium availble which is aided in itd=s digestion by the lactase enzymes that are un broken.
Its also gteat tasting. We dont drink much milk but as most, we use it for cereal. (I remember in my drinking days, I used Crown Royal in my sugared shredded wheat along with milk, it was like "The dudes " beverage of choice except that it was allso a meal)

I dont miss getting hammered with my "Mr Wizard" breakfast. As I reacll, it was a bout 3 shot of Crown Roayl into a cuppa milk and dump that over the sugar shredded wheats.
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:02 pm
@Sturgis,
I can't even stand the smell of it - I used to gag when we had to drink it . In fact, I never would drink it, and when I was washing dishes, I'd throw everyone else's milk down the sink along with mine (they had to pay me 25 cents a week). I consider that Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:09 pm
@Mame,
It was an experience. It also had a strange color.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:32 pm
@boomerang,
Boomer - I found this comment interesting -

JonathanGState College, PA
My wife spent her whole childhood drinking a glass of milk with each meal, and spent her whole childhood dealing with histamine-type reactions. As an adult, she did an elimination diet and found that she was much healthier (and happier) without dairy. When she re-introduced dairy to her diet, she tried lactose-free milk and found that she still experienced an allergic reaction. The problem wasn't the lactose.

Flash forward a few years. She and I had just moved to the UK. In our interim accommodations, we shared a kitchen and had very little space to store food. A convenient breakfast was yogurt, so my wife decided to do that until it started to affect her adversely. Gradually, she tried progressively larger portions, then started having cheese, too.

In the three years we lived in the UK, she never had any trouble with the dairy. Puzzled by this, we mentioned it to a friend who happens to be a large animal vet. Her first question to my wife: are you allergic to penicillin? Yes, strongly so. Life-threateningly so. Turns out, penicillin is widely used prophylactically in the US dairy industry, but not overseas. While the dairy industry claims that their antibiotics doesn't make it into the milk supply, there appears to be enough residue to trigger a milder form of my wife's allergies.

We now use either organic dairy or dairy from a local farm that only uses antibiotics when the cows are sick (and doesn't milk sick cows). My wife can finally tolerate american dairy.
July 8, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.



I'm still reading. Meant to say before that now when I do drink milk I drink it whole. Vary that with soy and almond milk and need to try coconut milk.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 04:57 pm
No one mentioned soy milk?

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 05:08 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

No one mentioned soy milk?




Thread ain't about soy milk, Miller

Cycloptichorn
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jcboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 05:49 pm
@ehBeth,
I’ve never been a milk drinker. I actually use half and half in my coffee but we keep milk in the house because Antonio loves his cereal in the mornings.
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 07:12 pm
@ehBeth,
I drink milk all the time, but never in my tea.
jcboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2012 07:21 pm
@the prince,
It's good to see you back here!
 

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