cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 11:13 am
Listen to Ryan's explanation for how they're going to make their tax cuts revenue neutral; they're going to negotiate the details in congress. It's not only laughable, but downright lies when he complains about Obama's same rhetoric.

They have NEVER provided any details on how they will a) create 12 million jobs, b) pay for the tax cuts, and c) "negotiate with the democrats."


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/biden-ryan-debate-today-141053735--election.html
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 11:22 am


Romney & Ryan will inherit a ruined economy when they are sworn in
01/13, but they will not play the blame game as Obama continues to
do, they will instead get to work on fixing these problems.
Something Obama has no interest in or experience doing.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 11:27 am
Just thinking; it might not be a bad idea for Romney-Ryan to win - to prove to everybody that they won on lies.

If they implement what they said they'll implement, it will hurt the majority of the middle class, women, minorities, seniors, and the young folks who are struggling to attend college.

Their primary message is Obama has not proved himself on the economy, and Romney-Ryan will create 12 million jobs. Everybody will have better jobs that pays more. The chances of producing 12 million jobs in this world economic climate is about 2%. If there isn't universal demand for goods and services, companies can't add more workers. That's simple Econ 101.

Women want men to control their bodies, health care, and vaginas? Good; that's their choice.

People want a voucher system for their MediCare? Good; that's their choice.

People want to pay more to give bigger tax breaks to the rich, and increase our national debt? Good; that's their choice.

What will they do when they run again for office?

If people want to suffer more, please be my guest, and re-elect them into office.

I'm done with this crap!
snood
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 12:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Breathe, CI - breeaathe. Good air in, bad air out. Chill, bro.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 12:51 pm
@snood,
Breathing exercises will not cure the stupidity of the electorate.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 01:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One more point; Obama said "Romney is a good man." In my world, anyone declaring 47% of Americans as takers who don't pay taxes don't belong in our government whether it's local, state, or federal.

jcboy
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 01:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I thought Obama did great, he came out swinging, at one point I expected to see his shoe go up Romney's ass.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 02:16 pm
@jcboy,
Is this totally stupid, or what?

From YahooNews.
Quote:
Romney slams Obama: Where were the details?

The GOP candidate criticizes the president for not laying out his plans for a second term in last night's debate.
jcboy
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 02:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Romney is a moron, Smile

"Binders full of women." Flexible schedules so women can be home to cook dinner for their kids? I almost felt sorry for Mitt Romney but then I realized something. After he loses the election, he'll still board his own private jet, go home to one of his many mansions, and continue to be more wealthy than all of my friends combined will ever be. So, yeah, I don't feel too bad for the guy.
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jcboy
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 02:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Between the housing market and this news on unemployment numbers it would look like we are seeing the effects of the recovery we were promised. Not a good day for republicans looking for negative spins on obama. Cool

http://www.politicususa.com/gallup-poll-shows-unemployment-7-3.html

Quote:
Gallup’s 30 day moving average poll finds unemployment has dropped to 7.3%. While not an official jobs number in the sense that the BLS numbers are, it obviously correlates to the recent BLS numbers that had the right wing in a frenzy of conspiracy talk. Also correlating to the improving BLS numbers are the facts that recent jobless claims numbers are dropping dramatically and today’s consumer confidence number hit a 5 year pre recession high.

So, all this new information should put the conservative conspiracy theorists to rest and they can take off the tin foil hat. This isn’t a conspiracy to re-elect President Obama; rather, it is a mandate that he should be re-elected considering the economic indicators. He has handled the economy well and has continued to be a steady hand at the wheel of history.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 02:50 pm
@jcboy,
jc, That's not the issue; many people believe Romney as a "businessman" can create jobs, and get everybody working at well paying jobs.

I have a bridge to sell, but those same people just doesn't seem interested. I wonder why?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 04:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's another Romney whopper!
Quote:
AlterNet / By Lynn Stuart Parramore 59 COMMENTS
Revealed: Romney’s Bain Capital Invested in Grotesque Chinese Sweatshop, Detailed at Boca Raton Fundraiser
Far from the respectable businessman he claims to be, Romney has long engaged in horrific practices that mock American values.
October 4, 2012 |


Republicans like to paint Romney as an entrepreneur whose activities at Bain Capital have benefited Americans. In a campaign full of whoppers, that’s one of the biggest lies of all. Economist Paul Davidson recently pointed out the truth on AlterNet : “Romney has spent his career offshoring and outsourcing American production processes -- and associated jobs -- to countries like China where human labor is valued in the market at a very low wage rate.” The sub-human conditions at these production facilities represent things that Americans are strongly opposed to: child abuse, squalor, forced overtime, and peanuts for pay.

Romney’s penchant for bragging about his business activities at fundraisers helps underscore just how vile his brand of capitalism really is. While CEO of Bain, Romney invested in a Chinese sweatshop which he appears to be describing in detail at the very same Boca Raton fundraising event where he made his infamous case that nearly half of all Americans are freeloaders.

A report recently released by the Institute for Global Labor and Human Rights reveals that while Romney was deeply invested at a firm called Global-Tech, low pay and horrific conditions were status quo at its Chinese appliance factory.

Was Romney aware? Let’s take a look at the presidential hopeful's own words:

“When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married. And they work in these huge factories, they made various uh, small appliances. And uh, as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with uh, with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10, 10 room, rooms. And the rooms they have 12 girls per room. Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh…yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in. Because people want so badly to come work in this factory that we have to keep them out.”

Charles Kermaghan, director of the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights, asks: “Does Mr. Romney seriously believe that young men and women in China are racing to climb over fortress-like walls topped with barbed wire, just to get a poorly paid job at Global-Tech? Or is it possible that the barbed wire and armed guards are meant to lock the Chinese workers in and strip them of their legal rights?”

From April 1998 through August 2000, Romney and his Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain affiliate, poured around $23 million into the Global-Tech sweatshop in Dongguan, China. Among the details outlined in the report were the following:

Factory workers made 24 cents an hour in 1998 and less than $2 a day. Wages in Global-Tech were less than 2 percent of U.S. wages.
As CEO, Romney appears to have been uninterested in calling for improvements at the facility. Today, the sweatshop is still a horror where starvation wages prevail and workers’ rights are nonexistent. Overcrowded, filthy dormitories; rotten food; routine 15- to 16-hour shifts; and backbreaking 105- to 112-hour, seven-day workweeks are the norm.
The appliance factory has 800 student "interns" -- 16-years-olds forced to work repetitive, exhausting 15- to 16-hour shifts on assembly lines with no overtime pay.
On Feb. 16, 2012, Mitt Romney brought hypocrisy to new heights, assuring the public that “We will not let China steal jobs from the United States of America.”
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 06:36 pm
Did anyone else notice...?

After the first debate, ther might have been a very few people trying to say Obama didn't do so badly, or trying to make excuses for him, but by and large Democrats fessed up and agreed that Obama was horrible and Romney clearly won the debate.

In fact, some were so angry and disappointed with Obama that it seemed as though they were going to give up on him, just on the strength of that one collosal ass whupping he got.

But after this second debate - which by clear consensus of all but the most delusional Obama won - where are the republicans giving Obama his due, or admitting Romney got his clock cleaned?

It's not suprising for them to be so craven and hypocritical; in fact its very consistent. But damn.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 06:42 pm
@snood,
Good point, snood. But, as you say, it's what is expected from that "other" party. They've gone so far by implementing voter suppression laws, and owners of businesses are telling their workers they'd better vote for Romney - or they'll be losing their jobs.

This is no longer America, the home of the free and the brave.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 12:28 am
@cicerone imposter,
It seems that for many people, the debates have not helped them to decide who would be the better president.

It fascinates and mystifies that we have on the one side who continually lies and changes their position of the major issues of our day, while we have a sitting president who has saved our country from the worst recession of our times.

They're not happy that Obama has not performed more miracles, while he has an obstructionist congress.

There is no cure for stupid, and it's proven almost every day from our country's politics.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 12:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It fascinates and mystifies that we have on the one side who continually lies and changes their position of the major issues of our day, while we have a sitting president who has saved our country from the worst recession of our times.

the fact that you dont understand where the American people are, and what we have been though these last years, has long been obvious. the normal reaction from people who begin to see that they dont understand what is going on is to shut up till they figure it out, but not you CI.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 01:24 am
@hawkeye10,
Oh for ****'s sake Hawkeye. Are you for real? If anyone should keep their mouth shut because they don't understand anything it's you.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 01:37 am
CI is precxisely correct, hawkeye. You are in fact the person wh has NO idea, not him. Romney was our governor for four years, his sole elective office. He ran for various offices in MA for ten years. Every position he maintained he held over those ten years, he had repudiated by the time he was in office for two years, and now claimed he believed the polar opposite. WE saw it. WE know. YOU don't. Now that he's got to appeal to more than the Republican core, he's tacking back from some of his more extreme opinions, to the point where one now has absolutely no idea what, if anything he really believes. He's the only person I've ever seen who can hold three mutually contradictory beliefs in three days. His beliefs change depending on who he's talking to. That's pandering. That's Mitt. CI is totally correct.

He's also right about Obama. The economy was in free fall when he came into office. It's not now. The recovery has been steady, if not as fast as one could wish, but then the economy was in far worse shape before he came to office than had been apparent on the campaign trail.. It took awhile to become apparent exactly how badly the previous administration had blown things. No thanks to the Party of NO, Obama was insturmental in getting the economy back on track.

You really haven't a clue.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 01:46 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
You really haven't a clue.

so you fantasyland residents keep telling me, till reality can no longer be ignored. the current problem reality is that Romney is doing very well even though he is a weak candidate, which says a lot about what the American people think of Obama.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 18 Oct, 2012 01:53 am
It tells more about the polarization of politics in this country, and the poison one side spreads (and it ain't the Obama side). You can barely get a majorit, and a 52-48 split is considered a convincing win these days. No more landslides. No more Nixon-scale victories (and look where that one got us). Romney is good at snake oil, and that's his strong suit.
 

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