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I do not believe gods exist…but I do not believe there are no gods.

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failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Art, I am not an atheist.

You dislike that you fit the definition, but that's as far as it goes, Frank.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Get over it.

I'm not the one carrying around the baggage.

What is so scary about accepting the reality of your own conclusions? It seems very sacred to your own self image that you aren't an atheist.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:14 pm
@joefromchicago,
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Nah, that's OK. I don't want to turn this thread into more of a joke than it already is.


It's run its course. Tell 'em if you want.


ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Would you repeat the question?



ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?



ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
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failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Yup, I am a bearded old guy.

I'm glad you can accept this.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I am not an atheist.

I'm amused you cannot accept this.

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joefromchicago
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:16 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:
You don't believe in any gods. That makes you an atheist. Whether you call yourself this, or whether you identify as such, is inconsequential to the basic inclusive definition that squarely puts you as a weak atheist. It says nothing about you being or not being an agnostic.

You don't seem to get it. According to Frank, an atheist is someone who calls himself an atheist. Frank doesn't call himself an atheist, he calls himself an agnostic. That makes him an agnostic, even though he holds the exact same beliefs as someone who calls himself an atheist.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:17 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 4998634)
Frank Apisa wrote:
Art, I am not an atheist.

You dislike that you fit the definition, but that's as far as it goes, Frank.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Get over it.

I'm not the one carrying around the baggage.

What is so scary about accepting the reality of your own conclusions? It seems very sacred to your own self image that you aren't an atheist.


It seems very sacred to your self image to insist that I am one, Art. You gotta do something about that.

I would suggest developing a sense of humor. It might help you to stop taking yourself so seriously.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:18 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
I'm amused you cannot accept this.


Hey, it's a start! Wink
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joefromchicago
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

What does them not being equivalent have to do with it.

If they were equivalent, you would have answered my question. But since they aren't, then my question still stands: how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:18 pm
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
You don't seem to get it. According to Frank, an atheist is someone who calls himself an atheist. Frank doesn't call himself an atheist, he calls himself an agnostic. That makes him an agnostic, even though he holds the exact same beliefs as someone who calls himself an atheist.


Since I do not hold any "beliefs"...that does not seem likely.
failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:19 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

failures art wrote:
You don't believe in any gods. That makes you an atheist. Whether you call yourself this, or whether you identify as such, is inconsequential to the basic inclusive definition that squarely puts you as a weak atheist. It says nothing about you being or not being an agnostic.

You don't seem to get it. According to Frank, an atheist is someone who calls himself an atheist. Frank doesn't call himself an atheist, he calls himself an agnostic. That makes him an agnostic, even though he holds the exact same beliefs as someone who calls himself an atheist.

I see!

This is a huge linguistic breakthrough. Franklish is a high form of tautology!

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:19 pm
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
If they were equivalent, you would have answered my question. But since they aren't, then my question still stands: how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?


Get someone to help you understand it, joefromchicago. You might consider someone not from Chicago!
joefromchicago
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You can either answer my question or just admit that you can't. I suspect it's the latter, but I still hold out hope for the former.
failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

It seems very sacred to your self image to insist that I am one, Art. You gotta do something about that.

Do you know what a self image is? How could it be important for my own reflection of myself to include how you think about yourself?

Your rhetoric is converging on "I'm rubber, you're glue!"

Frank Apisa wrote:

I would suggest developing a sense of humor. It might help you to stop taking yourself so seriously.

Only one of us has to tame our caps lock temper, Frank.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:25 pm
@joefromchicago,
I've answered it.

Why are you insisting I have not answered it?
failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Since I do not hold any "beliefs"...that does not seem likely.

Boasting about your inability to use critical judgement is hilarious. Not that it's even true, but it's funny that you'll go to this length to keep up the facade.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:32 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Boasting about your inability to use critical judgement is hilarious. Not that it's even true, but it's funny that you'll go to this length to keep up the facade.


If you say so. But there is a lot funnier stuff going on in this thread than that!

I am laughing my ass off.
failures art
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
When the emperor removed his new clothes, nothing is different. The only exception is in the Emperor's own mind, because now he accepts he is naked.

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joefromchicago
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

I've answered it.

Why are you insisting I have not answered it?

Because you haven't.

Here it is again: how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:41 pm
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 4998660)
Frank Apisa wrote:

I've answered it.

Why are you insisting I have not answered it?

Because you haven't.

Here it is again: how does one express a lack of belief in Santa Claus that does not include the possibility that Santa Claus exists?


I have answer it. Here is my answer again:

How about: I do not believe in Santa Claus…in fact, I believe that Santa Claus does not exist?
joefromchicago
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:44 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Does the statement "I believe that Santa Claus does not exist" include the possibility that Santa Claus does exist?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 30 May, 2012 03:49 pm
@joefromchicago,
Why another question?

Tell me what problems you have with my answer...and also tell me why you consider my answer not to be an answer.
 

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