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Weapons of political destruction

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 05:58 pm
Weapons of political destruction[/u]
By:Thomas Sowell
February 10, 2004

The issue of "weapons of mass destruction" is being played for all it is worth as a weapon of political destruction. In fact, it is being played for more than it is worth.

The ultimate question is whether we should or should not have gone to war with the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. Weapons inspector David Kay's statement that he does not believe that we are going to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has been trumpeted across the land, while his statement that Saddam Hussein was even more dangerous than we thought has been passed over in silence.

Having a President of the United States lie us into a war is not only a disaster when it happens, it is a lasting catastrophe for future presidents and for the country, because a president's credibility is a whole nation's credibility in the world. We have still not recovered from President Lyndon Johnson's lying us into the Vietnam war.

Those who see every war as another Vietnam have tried to depict President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair as having hyped the intelligence reports to justify an unjustifiable war. An investigation in Britain indicates that those who pushed that line at the left-wing BBC were the liars.

The intelligence reports that Bush and Blair saw were also seen by Congressional leaders who proceeded to vote for war. Those who now talk about a need for "iron-clad proof" are talking election-year nonsense when it comes to national survival.

When the planes flew into the World Trade Center, that was iron-clad proof. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, that was iron-clad proof. We cannot wait for iron-clad proof in a nuclear age.

The Manhattan Project that created the first atomic bomb was based on intelligence reports that Hitler's atomic bomb project was farther along than it turned out to be. Should we have waited and risked having Hitler get the first atomic bomb?

What the President knew when he went to Congress for an authorization for war was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in the past, that international inspectors could not account for what happened to all of them that were supposed to have been destroyed and that the Iraqi dictator was refusing to comply with repeated UN resolutions on the subject.

Was that enough or should President Bush have waited for that "iron-clad proof" we hear so much about? We had already waited for more than a decade, with Saddam Hussein playing cat and mouse games.

Would we have been better off to have had more or better information from the intelligence agencies -- especially more agents on the ground to supplement satellite surveillance and other high-tech methods? No question.

But many, if not most, of those in Congress who are now complaining loudly about intelligence failures are people who voted repeatedly to cut the budgets of the intelligence agencies and to restrict their operations. Senator John Kerry is just one of those who crippled these agencies and now complain that they were not effective enough.

Everyone today agrees that we are grossly deficient in the numbers of Arabic-speaking people available to intelligence gathering and analysis. But you cannot now create Arabic-speaking intelligence agents overnight. Neither CIA Director George Tenet nor President Bush can be made scapegoats for decades of neglect before they got to Washington.

Was the Iraqi war worth it and should we have gone to war if we had to do it over again, knowing what we know now? On net balance, yes.

Among the things that we know now is that you get cooperation in the Middle East after you have demonstrated your willingness to use force. Would Libya have revealed and dismantled its weapons of mass destruction if the Qaddafi regime had not seen what happened in Iraq? Would Syria and Iran have taken a more conciliatory attitude if they had not seen what happened in Iraq?

Negotiations are not a substitute for force. When international negotiations work, often it is because aggressors know what is going to happen if it doesn't work.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 06:17 pm
The only thing he knew for certain was that Saddam Hussein had oil. Or is there some other explanation that oil contracts in that country are now the exclusive domain of US companies?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 06:32 pm
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When the planes flew into the World Trade Center, that was iron-clad proof.

The crashing noise you hear is your argument falling apart. I so eagerly await those on the right finally realising that if they wish to defend the actions of the Bush junta in Iraq that they should probably avoid attempting to use a completely unrelated event as justification. Laziness is no excuse for ignorance.
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Jakart
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 06:37 pm
The fact of the matter remains, Saddam's rein of terror is ended, a possible threat has been snuffed out, American resolve has been proven, and a terrorist nation has agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction. The Iraqi people are stabilising their nation after years of unjust slaughter.

Unfortunately, this is not enough for many people. Many people, who are not anywhere close to being a part of the military, are still complaining. Many people, who have not been negatively affected in any way by the war, still wish to cower. Many people cannot admit they were wrong and accept the accomplishments of the United States as the world's leading power. You must accept the fact that we are the leading power and that certain responsibilities come with that role.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 06:45 pm
Jakart wrote:
The fact of the matter remains, Saddam's rein of terror is ended,



I applaud this.

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a possible threat has been snuffed out,


Everything is a possible threat. I suggest you join the realm of reality in which probability governs and not mere possibility.

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American resolve has been proven


American resolve is worthless to most. This sounds like measuring penises.

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and a terrorist nation has agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction.


Incorrect. You might be trying to say Lybia agreed to stop pursuing them. This has nothing to do with Iraq and their reconciliation overtures have been progressing for years.

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The Iraqi people are stabilising their nation after years of unjust slaughter.


I applaud this.

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Unfortunately, this is not enough for many people.


You are right. Seizing upon humanitarian motivations after the fact is not enough for many.

This is a good thing.

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Many people, who are not anywhere close to being a part of the military, are still complaining.


What does proximity to the military have to do with anything? Personally I think opinions of persons with proximity to the military are of little value.

Your proximity to the military might make you think your opinion is worth more, but this is an inordinate sense of self-importance.

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Many people, who have not been negatively affected in any way by the war, still wish to cower.


Who has not been affected by the war? And who is "cowering"?

I suspect that you are using this pathetic argument for lack of any substance on your part.

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Many people cannot admit they were wrong and accept the accomplishments of the United States as the world's leading power.



I urge you to consider that they might not be wrong and that the US accomplishments are sometimes viewed as less of a positive than you see them as.

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You must accept the fact that we are the leading power and that certain responsibilities come with that role.


I must do nothing of the sort.

What I must do is try to stop laughing out loud in my office at your insipid arguments.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 06:47 pm
Jakart wrote:
The fact of the matter remains, Saddam's rein of terror is ended, a possible threat has been snuffed out, American resolve has been proven, and a terrorist nation has agreed to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction.

Of course, the fact that Iraq had no WMD apears to haev escaped your notice.


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The Iraqi people are stabilising their nation after years of unjust slaughter.

Really? How so? I don't see any end to slaughter in Iraq. the perpetrators merely have changed.

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Unfortunately, this is not enough for many people. Many people, who are not anywhere close to being a part of the military, are still complaining.

The loudest criticism of the invasion I have heard has come from those of us who have military backgrounds.

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Many people, who have not been negatively affected in any way by the war, still wish to cower. Many people cannot admit they were wrong and accept the accomplishments of the United States as the world's leading power. You must accept the fact that we are the leading power and that certain responsibilities come with that role.

Actually, many who actually love freedom, and consider democracy to be a very effective system of government have become outraged by the abuses of power perpetrated by the Bush administrration.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 10 Feb, 2004 07:33 pm
For the last time, and without any mention of WMDs or oil or any other rationalization -- and especially since some of our slower friends are having trouble with this one -- I'll try to put this as simply as possible:

1. President Bush said many, many times that he had no intention of attacking Iraq before 9/11.

2. President Bush said many, many times that he only decided to attack Iraq because of 9/11.

3. President Bush, in fact, was actively planning to attack Iraq from the day he took office.

4. President Bush lied.

All clear now? Good. Now run along and play.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 08:15 am
Why is it that a single voice with an agenda, who just happens to say what you agree with, can drown out an array of other voices that say things that you don't agree with?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 10:40 am
McG

Were you typing that into a mirror, by any chance?
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