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Aunt Thomasina?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 07:30 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

snood wrote:
Why is it that in every depiction of an “Uncle Tom” [. . .] the culprit always has to be a male?

Maybe it's because the percentage of Blacks who like servile Black suckups to Whites is negligible. By contrast, the percentage of males, including Black males, who like servile female suckups is not negligible. Worse, a sizable minority of females, including Black females, is also still sold on the silly notion that women ought to be deferent. So, when a Black male sucks up to Whites, people will see him as betraying his race. But when a Black woman sucks up to Whites, people may well just see her as appropriately compliant with her supposedly-proper gender role.
There are a number of sweeping and superficial generalizations afoot in this dialogue, and Thomas has added to the list. Deference is not the same thing as submission or subservience: indeed it is an often used indirect way of exercising real autonomy. Assertiveness and aggression are not the same thing as dominance; instead they are often merely the ineffectual ways in which ineffective people vent their frustrations. More to the point, the superficial references to the stereotype Uncle Tom in this thread are usually references to just this contradictory behavior. The real complexities of human behavior that we we see in our lives every day should amply remind all of us of this truth.

A very common mode of leadership failure in organizations is the mistake of confusing control with real power in the management of human activities in organizations of all kinds, ranging from businesses to squadrons, ships or military groups. Power in human affairs is in fact exercised through a combination of influence over others and direct control of their activities. As one ascends in any organization influence quickly becomes more important and more common than direct control, and the failure to understand this elementary truth is (in my experience) the most common failing of managers.

Stowe's Uncle Tom, as depicted in her novel, was an effective and benevolent leader of the lives of those around him. The metaphorical Uncle Tom of the trivialized stereotype is, in my view, far more often the rationalization of ineffective, immature people for their own failures.

I find it sadly ironic that some self-appointed leaders of Black Americans are encouraging, and in some cases demanding, ever greater government subsidized and government designed and standardized programs as a necessary means of achieving justice and "fairness" for them. A better organized plantation is not the path to self-reliance and autonomy. A benevolent overseer still requires slaves on his plantation. Loud talk and demonstrations are not effective means of achieving or exercising power. The habitual rationalizing individual achievment on the part of others as merely the result of unseen sucking up is a sure way to failure for ones self.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 11:07 am
This thread has me thinking that Asian Americans can also have a concern whether they are acting subservient, since only back in the 1950 Western TV programs, the Asian male was often depicted as subservient, and the white characters thought this was their role. I am thinking of "Heyboy" in Have Gun Will and the Asian cook in Bonanza.

And, in British society, Indian males were possibly treated as subservient.

It sounds to me like a normal psychological reaction to any identification with one's group, that had to be in a non-equal role historically in society.

There is also a perspective I have never heard, but being Jewish it has come to my thoughts. That being that "obnoxious" behavior (i.e., "loud Jews") might be, on an unconscious level, a way of saying that they will not be amenable slaves to Egyptians, or anyone else, in the future, and you wouldn't want me anyway (as a slave). So, the penchant for inner city youth to appear to be in their own different culture might be a way of saying, unconsciously, that their freedom might depend on being persona non-grata to mainstream white culture? Or, is it also reflecting a desire to flaunt one's freedom by not adhering to mainstream culture? Which makes me wonder if "multi-culturalism" is an attempt to ameliorate this psychological need that effects a balkanized society?

On a personal level, does "success" for anyone in these groups depend on walking the proverbial fence, in both cultures, and my question is whether it can result in some sort of schizoid personality?

The good news is that this concern about subservience might be cured with time, since the one group that was in the U.S. quite long, and overcame a degree of alienation from an unequal place in society are the Irish, in my opinion. So, time heals? (Or, it is the fact that the Irish had the good sense to overcome their alienation from the dominant group in society?)
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 02:03 pm
@georgeob1,
George, what you dont seem to realize is that we all, black and white, you and me, are uncle toms to the rich guys who really run our government.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 02:11 pm
@RABEL222,
I always suspected you licked the boot of The Man.

Thanks for confirming.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 02:19 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

snood wrote:
Why is it that in every depiction of an “Uncle Tom” [. . .] the culprit always has to be a male?

Maybe it's because the percentage of Blacks who like servile Black suckups to Whites is negligible. By contrast, the percentage of males, including Black males, who like servile female suckups is not negligible. Worse, a sizable minority of females, including Black females, is also still sold on the silly notion that women ought to be deferent. So, when a Black male sucks up to Whites, people will see him as betraying his race. But when a Black woman sucks up to Whites, people may well just see her as appropriately compliant with her supposedly-proper gender role.


I think there's some truth in what you say.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 03:11 pm
@RABEL222,
Speak for yourself.
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