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Why does the Universe exist?

 
 
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:34 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
First I will address my response and then yours. I saw 'what you were getting at' but chose not to go down that dead end with you. It is a dead end and allows no possibility for genuine thought, regardless of whether or not you're in the mood to admit it.


oh..there is no dead end on my part I assure you

you just want it to be a dead end for your convenience
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Second, I am now questioning whether you even know what you mean by 'truth'. Saying that some 'thing' is true only exists because of the possibility of being able to empirically verify a lack of 'evidence'.


actually , the evidence of the Universe is far , far , far from being the lack of

and you know it

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And of course the lack of evidence only 'shows up' because of the pre-supposition of there being 'truth'. BOTH are phony and are the avoidance of something. The avoidance of you dis-covering your ownmost possibility, the possibility of coming face-to-face with the possibility of the impossibility of your own existence, the possibility of Be-ing.


a load of nonsense

JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:40 pm
@north,
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oh..there is no dead end on my part I assure you

you just want it to be a dead end for your convenience


Instead of posting that why didn't you just post that-which would keep the conversation going?(thus proving a non-dead end)

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actually , the evidence of the Universe is far , far , far from being the lack of

and you know it


I am not trying to dis-prove the existence of the 'universe' here. I am not stupid enough to try that on a philosophy forum, that would be like trying to kick water uphill, never gonna happen.

I am saying you should question your fundamental basis for the construction entitled 'universe'.

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a load of nonsense


No my statement was accurate. People only try to dis-prove some 'thing' out of the pre-supposition of there already-being truth. Why try to dis-prove something unless you felt some 'truth' could arise out of doing so?
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north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:47 pm

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oh..there is no dead end on my part I assure you

you just want it to be a dead end for your convenience


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Instead of posting that why didn't you just post that-which would keep the conversation going?(thus proving a non-dead end)


good point ,

as I said before energy and matter are infinite hence why the Universe exits
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:50 pm

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actually , the evidence of the Universe is far , far , far from being the lack of

and you know it


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I am not trying to dis-prove the existence of the 'universe' here. I am not stupid enough to try that on a philosophy forum, that would be like trying to kick water uphill, never gonna happen.

I am saying you should question your fundamental basis for the construction entitled 'universe'.


so what forum would you try to dis-prove the existence of the Universe ?
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:50 pm
@north,
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good point ,

as I said before energy and matter are infinite hence why the Universe exits


Who you really are is 'where' the 'assembly' took place for the following concepts which you have used: "energy, matter, infinite and universe" - all of these only show up in your ways of describing, they are concepts which you have 'subscribed' to. Take them away and what's left? Look inside and find out.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:53 pm
@JPLosman0711,
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good point , as I said before energy and matter are infinite hence why the Universe exits
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Who you really are is 'where' the 'assembly' took place for the following concepts which you have used: "energy, matter, infinite and universe" - all of these only show up in your ways of describing, they are concepts which you have 'subscribed' to. Take them away and what's left? Look inside and find out.
got to be Buddist thinking
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:57 pm
@north,
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so what forum would you try to dis-prove the existence of the Universe ?


That really wasn't the point and I'm surprised you picked such an obscure aspect of my post to 'poke' at.
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JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 06:59 pm
@north,
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got to be Buddist thinking


No, that is your conclusion which you're hiding behind so as to not come face-to-face with your ownmost, un-speakable possibility.

Keep that up and everything will always look the same to you.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:04 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
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got to be Buddist thinking
No, that is your conclusion which you're hiding behind so as to not come face-to-face with your ownmost, un-speakable possibility. Keep that up and everything will always look the same to you.


I'm hidding behind Budda , ahh no , this what I think you are hiding behind
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:11 pm
@north,
This is getting ridiculous, I have never said anything about 'Budda', nor am I going to address it for I could never know exactly what you mean by it.

Also, I said it was your conclusions which you are hiding behind.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:18 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
This is getting ridiculous, I have never said anything about 'Budda', nor am I going to address it for I could never know exactly what you mean by it. Also, I said it was your conclusions which you are hiding behind.


I didn't say anything about budda towards what I was thinking either

what am I hidding behind , I don't get you
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:20 pm
@north,
You 'formulate' a conclusion so as to protect your 'self' from Be-ing, it's a popular cop-out.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:22 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
You 'formulate' a conclusion so as to protect your 'self' from Be-ing, it's a popular cop-out.


what is this be-ing ? explain
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:25 pm
@north,
It cannot be explained, you look for 'explanations' so you can go around in life showing everyone how smart you are.

Knock it off.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:29 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
It cannot be explained, you look for 'explanations' so you can go around in life showing everyone how smart you are. Knock it off.


so you can bring up this be-ing thing , not explain it and then insult me , interesting

surely if some-one brings up a concept I can ask this same someone to explain it

I have that right do I not ?
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:33 pm
@north,
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so you can bring up this be-ing thing , not explain it and then insult me , interesting

surely if some-one brings up a concept I can ask this same someone to explain it

I have that right do I not ?


You will always have the 'right' to do anything you want so long as you induce the necessary self-manipulative justifications.

BTW - Be-ing is not a concept, the formulation of its 'definition' is the only non-conceptual, that-which transcends or comes-before conceptualization.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:40 pm
@JPLosman0711,
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so you can bring up this be-ing thing , not explain it and then insult me , interesting surely if some-one brings up a concept I can ask this same someone to explain it I have that right do I not ?
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You will always have the 'right' to do anything you want so long as you induce the necessary self-manipulative justifications.
what is wrong with you , I asked a simple question
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BTW - Be-ing is not a concept, the formulation of its 'definition' is the only non-conceptual, that-which transcends or comes-before conceptualization.
go on
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:46 pm
@north,
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what is wrong with you , I asked a simple question


You start insulting people as an attempt to give them the burden of communicating(which is what you've done all conversation) but notice at once that this only robs YOU at a chance at genuine experience and expression.

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go on


There is no where to 'go' from there, how do you speak about that-which speaks about? How do you talk about what talks-about?

How am I to 'go on'? It's all you from here.
north
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:55 pm
@JPLosman0711,
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what is wrong with you , I asked a simple question
You start insulting people as an attempt to give them the burden of communicating(which is what you've done all conversation) but notice at once that this only robs YOU at a chance at genuine experience and expression.
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I simply do not understand where this came from .......... at all
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go on
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There is no where to 'go' from there, how do you speak about that-which speaks about? How do you talk about what talks-about? How am I to 'go on'? It's all you from here.
????????????????????????
JPLosman0711
 
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Sun 13 May, 2012 07:58 pm
@north,
Vicious cycle, you're just demanding 'explanations' as your way-out of thinking during the conversation. Obviously my post was 'understandable' otherwise you wouldn't have been able to read it, nor could I have typed it. Only he who already understands can 'listen'.

We're done here.
 

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