Why does the Universe exist?

@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

I'm just asking how can there be nothing if it takes something to declare it so?

that is the question that these " nothing " thinkers can't answer

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@dalehileman,

dalehileman wrote:

Intuitively, requires no explanation of creation, cause, beginning, end, purpose, design, motive; its simple, straightforward; nothingness

then your intuition is simply misguided

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@north,

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that is the question that these " nothing " thinkers can't answer

Because the objection doesn’t seem to make sense

A state of nothingness instead of somethingness seems perfectly reasonable. That doesn’t say there is was or will be such a state, only that I see no reason it can’t be conceived if not envisioned

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@north,

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then your intuition is simply misguided

Perhaps but we’re in a realm where “science and reason” peter out so Intuition is all we’re left with

A state of nothingness seems a whole lot more easier to entertain than the common intuitive notion of a God who creates matter out of nothing then adjusts its constants within a fraction of one percent so as to make possible the evolution of life

Yet millions if not billions of otherwise perfectly reasonable minds—depending entirely on Intuition—insist that’s really the way it is and even suppose they possess “proof"

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@dalehileman,

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then your intuition is simply misguided

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Perhaps but we’re in a realm where “science and reason” peter out so Intuition is all we’re left with

not all of us

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A state of nothingness seems a whole lot more easier to entertain than the common intuitive notion of a God who creates matter out of nothing then adjusts its constants within a fraction of one percent so as to make possible the evolution of life

hmmm...... quite frankly .. never heard of god being the creater of matter out of nothing

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Yet millions if not billions of otherwise perfectly reasonable minds—depending entirely on Intuition—insist that’s really the way it is and even suppose they possess “proof"

hmmm.....not that I know of

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@north,

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never heard of god being the creater of matter out of nothing

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=god+created+matter+out+of+nothing&oq=god+created+matter+out+of+nothing&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3...3370.12631.0.12934.33.33.0.0.0.1.986.7036.0j26j5j6-2.33.0.crf1.1.0.0.tXZpT95HilI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7dbc73e3d462cd55&biw=1677&bih=912

'Yet millions if not billions………..suppose they possess “proof” '

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hmmm.....not that I know of

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=proof+existence+of+god&oq=proof+existence+of+god&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3...211827.217388.1.217683.22.22.0.0.0.0.297.3566.0j16j4.20.0.crf1.1.0.0.jhlvk4SmxNE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7dbc73e3d462cd55&biw=1677&bih=912

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@dalehileman,

dalehileman wrote:

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never heard of god being the creater of matter out of nothing

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=god+created+matter+out+of+nothing&oq=god+created+matter+out+of+nothing&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3...3370.12631.0.12934.33.33.0.0.0.1.986.7036.0j26j5j6-2.33.0.crf1.1.0.0.tXZpT95HilI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7dbc73e3d462cd55&biw=1677&bih=912

'Yet millions if not billions………..suppose they possess “proof” '

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hmmm.....not that I know of

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=proof+existence+of+god&oq=proof+existence+of+god&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_l=hp.3...211827.217388.1.217683.22.22.0.0.0.0.297.3566.0j16j4.20.0.crf1.1.0.0.jhlvk4SmxNE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7dbc73e3d462cd55&biw=1677&bih=912

Funny. When a website uses the ontological argument for the existence of god as being evidence for god. It makes your whole response uncrediable. Can't believe that people still push this argument as if it flawlessly proves in the existence of a deity, which it fails to do.

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@Krumple,

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It makes your whole response uncrediable.

Okay but it’s not me Krum, I was merely dredging up others’ thinking

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@TuringEquivalent,

TuringEquivalent wrote:

Why does the Universe exist?

What makes you think that it exists? (Outside your own imagination, I mean.)

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@Lustig Andrei,

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What makes you think that it exists?

Not much evidence to the contrary

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@dalehileman,

dalehileman wrote:

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What makes you think that it exists?
Not much evidence to the contrary

absolutely

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@dalehileman,

Actually, I'm a skeptic about most human thought. But I affirm in all my statements and actions the existence of the universe because it is in my interest to do so. I'd get locked up if I didn't. The same situation would exist three centuries ago--I wouldn't dare to deny the existence of God, for fear of the stake. Today I believe that I can get away with my atheist perspective and I think it does me and my society some good to not support our religious institutions.

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

Actually, I'm a skeptic about most human thought. But I affirm in all my statements and actions the existence of the universe because it is in my interest to do so. I'd get locked up if I didn't. The same situation would exist three centuries ago--I wouldn't dare to deny the existence of God, for fear of the stake. Today I believe that I can get away with my atheist perspective and I think it does me and my society some good to not support our religious institutions.

I don't support religious instituions either but I know from history , Ancient History , that what we call gods did and do exit which by the way were not called gods in the begining they were called " lofty ones "

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@JLNobody,

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Actually, I'm a skeptic about most human thought.

You should be!

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But I affirm in all my statements and actions the existence of the universe because it is in my interest to do so.

This is where you went wrong. Do not affirm your 'statements', you must question them. Of course your actions are in your best interest. That is incredibly obvious and goes without needing to state. Stop 'affirming'(lying) this to your 'self' and give up the ghost. No matter how many people you get to agree with you.

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I'd get locked up if I didn't. The same situation would exist three centuries ago--I wouldn't dare to deny the existence of God, for fear of the stake. Today I believe that I can get away with my atheist perspective and I think it does me and my society some good to not support our religious institutions.

You don't even know what these statements are intended to state and you're refusing to admit that you don't know what you're saying. You just 'collect' words which you have known to 'sound good' from people you've heard talking in the past, thus alleviate the burden of 'thinking' for yourself and placing it on those whom you speak to. Also, you close down the possibility of Be-ing for all those who read your bogus re-hashing efforts.

It's time to stop the vicious cycle.

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JPLosman0711

so does the Universe exist ?

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@north,

Who you really are exists, the combination of characteristics which you have attached the label 'universe' does not.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

Who you really are exists, the combination of characteristics which you have attached the label 'universe' does not.

so what do you stand on ? literally

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@north,

Answering your question leaves me with the only option of 'formulating' a concept(or, 'thing') for you.

You will then take that 'thing' and go 'Ah ha!', this exists(because I supposedly said so) and therefor goes to make up what we call 'universe'!

And then you'll go on to give me a 'speech' about how I contradict myself so as to justify your not wanting to give this any genuine thought.

Nice work if you can get it.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

Answering your question leaves me with the only option of 'formulating' a concept(or, 'thing') for you. You will then take that 'thing' and go 'Ah ha!', this exists(because I supposedly said so) and therefor goes to make up what we call 'universe'! And then you'll go on to give me a 'speech' about how I contradict myself so as to justify your not wanting to give this any genuine thought. Nice work if you can get it.

so you relise what I'm getting at , but deny its truth

interesting

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@north,

First I will address my response and then yours.

I saw 'what you were getting at' but chose not to go down that dead end with you. It is a dead end and allows no possibility for genuine thought, regardless of whether or not you're in the mood to admit it.

Second, I am now questioning whether you even know what you mean by 'truth'. Saying that some 'thing' is true only exists because of the possibility of being able to empirically verify a lack of 'evidence'. And of course the lack of evidence only 'shows up' because of the pre-supposition of there being 'truth'. BOTH are phony and are the avoidance of something.

The avoidance of you dis-covering your ownmost possibility, the possibility of coming face-to-face with the possibility of the impossibility of your own existence, the possibility of Be-ing.

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