Why does the Universe exist?

@Krumple,

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What I undertand you are discribing here, I would go as far as to make the claim that you arn't actually dealing with infinity or even a repeating event. Although the loop would occur as you suggest, it is not the same loop. It is just another iteration of that loop but not the same loop. Sort of like the "back in time" analogy. If you had a time machine and you set it to go back in time, you really are not going back in time, instead your future self is traveling to a previous time, but it is still your future self.

And just how do you support this claim eh ? based on what ? If time is looping onto itself (I prefer space/time) how come it does not simulate infinity ? You say such process its another process based on comparison with past events in a chain of counting but that's a tricky situation...you see if space is not a continuum but rather discrete then all possible patterns and arrangements in and off the grid itself at large will eventually repeat including the very counting comparative chain...what that means is that computing power has limits even if we have to take the all of multiverse as a computer algorithm...as long as energy is preserved any close circuit is infinite although it does not need to bring about any new information beyond its own potential to be considered so...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

...a good example of a looping close circle is imagining an arrow that always travels to the right in a screen but that eventually comes out on the left of the screen...when the potential of available space is exhausted the algorithm also becomes exhausted although the arrow keeps on going...now the tricky part is that you are observing the algorithm running as an outsider while you are also another algorithm linking to the first one by mere observation (it could be a computer it does not need to be a mind)...obviously you can imagine that situation going ad eternum... say for instance that you are observing someone just like you which is also observing someone just like which is observing someone just like you and so on...algorithm exhausted ! ...and yet infinite...

...novelty in the patterns is what truly counts...and as I see no way that such thing as nothingness can possibly exist...I am forced to conclude that novelty has limits once BEING as a Whole is fixed (Truh)...Reality is probably a closed circuit !

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@Fil Albuquerque,

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...you see if space is not a continuum but rather discrete then all possible patterns and arrangements in and off the grid itself at large will eventually repeat including the very counting comparative chain...

take off out of the sentence...simply meant the grid itself as a whole.

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On a point that should be important to the question for this thread, the Physicist Richard Feynman explains how unconstrained "why"-questions can get you into the woods without yielding any gain in understanding.

The appication of his insights to the question "why does the universe exist?" is left as an exercise to the reader.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

On a point that should be important to the question for this thread, the Physicist Richard Feynman explains how unconstrained "why"-questions can get you into the woods without yielding any gain in understanding.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM[/youtube]

The appication of his insights to the question "why does the universe exist?" is left as an exercise to the reader.

Blah, Richad Feynman? What did he know?

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@JLNobody,

I agree , to have ''sex'' , universe exists for that reason .
Actually to ask ''Why does Universe exist?'' is silly , with respect to every proposition the term ''why'' can not be associated ; there must be somethings
which are 'primitive' , things to start a 'system' with , which are beyond answerable to the question '' Why .... ? ''

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@uvosky,

I don't know what you're talking about, but with a name like Uvosky I can't imagine that you are wrong.

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@uvosky,

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, which are beyond answerable to the question '' Why .... ? ''

To the contrary, Sky, the q can and should be addressed, even if a typical answer such as mine seems wholly unsatisfactory: Eventually it will be demonstrated that non-existence entails paradox and contradioction so that the Universe simply has to exist; while it is the way it is simply because that’s the way it has to be, all its features interdependent so that a change in one would make the others impossible

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to answer the original question it's because God needs a place to put his ****. Stop over thinking it. Same reason I have a garage

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@blueveinedthrobber,

So the universe is god's garage? Smile

The question 'why does the universe exist' is akin to the questions 'what is outside the edge of the universe' and 'what was it like before the beginning of the universe'.

"Why" requires a context.
"Why did you reach for the glass of water?"
"Because I was thirsty"

"Why does iron rust?"
"Because molecules in iron binds with molecules in air, which creates rust, or iron oxide."

In each case the answers to 'why' depend on a greater context. Thirst - water - no thirst. That is the 'why' of the glass of water. Iron - air - they mix. That's the 'why' of iron rusting.
In the case of the universe we don't have such chains of reasoning. (we don't know) - universe - (we don't know).

It is possible to say and think "I will lock the drawer and then put the key in it". But that doesn't mean that it is a sensible thing to say and think. The question of this thread is similar.

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@dalehileman,

I don't find your answer typical or unsatisfactory at all . That I said
'' beyond answerable....'' I didn't mean that the question can not or
should not be addressed. As I have said , the Universe should be taken
as a ''primitive'' concept , unless we can find something more ''primitive''
from which the notion of the Universe can be derived , to begin the
''formal system '' of the ''physical phenomena'' with ; exactly the same thing you summed up as ''....the Universe simply has to exist '' . Moreover as you remarked ''....all its features are interdependent so that a change in one would make the others impossible '' , is very much the truth and readily follows from quntum coherence .

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@JLNobody,

Why do you think with a name like Uvosky someone can't be wrong ???
What 's so special about my '' username '' ??

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@Cyracuz,

I concur... "I have a lot of ****...actually ALL the ****....I need a place to put it. Therefore I'll build a Universe." Actually it's probably more accurate to say "I'll build a Universe so I can store my **** in an organized fashion" Mr. Green

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@Lustig Andrei,

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'nothing' does not and cannot exist.

Probably so Lust, but doesn’t address the most pressing q of all, why does there have to be anything at all in the first place

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@dalehileman,

dalehileman wrote:

Probably so Lust, but doesn’t address the most pressing q of all, why does there have to be anything at all in the first place

I think it is just as valid to ask, why would you assume that there would have to be nothing as a default?

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@Cyracuz,

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The question 'why does the universe exist' is akin to the questions 'what is outside the edge of the universe' and 'what was it like before the beginning of the universe'.

I’m not so sure. The first is a good q but doesn’t necessarily entail the remaining two. As to the second, if the Universe is finite (which seems a pretty good guess) then there just simply isn’t an outside. Likewise, regarding creation, if it came into being out of nothingness then there just wasn’t a “before"

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@uvosky,

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I don't find your answer typical or unsatisfactory at all .

Why thank you Sky

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.......Moreover as you remarked ''....all its features are interdependent so that a change in one would make the others impossible '' , is very much the truth and readily follows from quntum coherence .

Which you might explain for the benefit of the Average Clod (me)

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@Krumple,

dalehileman wrote:
Probably so Lust, but doesn’t address the most pressing q of all, why does there have to be anything at all in the first place

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I think it is just as valid to ask, why would you assume that there would have to be nothing as a default?

Just Intuition

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@dalehileman,

Consider the possibility that the question, Why does anything exist at all? is an absurdity that occurs only because we are able to have the equally absurd construct of nothingness.

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